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Dr. Baxter
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Nov-05-02, 01:08 PM (CST)
 
"Lawsuits and neve injury"
 
   I am a dental expert witness who has reviewed many nerve damage cases. I am convinced that nerve injury occurs more frequently than what is expected in dentistry. I was wondering how many patients were promptly referred to an oral surgeon, and how many individuals were filing lawsuits.


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CT
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Nov-05-02, 03:02 PM (CST)
 
1. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I originally was injured by an oral surgeon. I asked for a referral and was refused. I was not alerted to the help of medication right away. His recommendation was to soak my mouth in tea or coffee hot water 20 times a day for three months. My neurologist (my MD's referral at MY request 6 months later!) thinks I have an enlarged nerve. Wonder if that has anything to do the nerve trying to heal while it is being SEARED DAILY. Who puts heat on ANY INJURY for three months? Only the initial injury!!! Then ice. He is an uninformed IDIOT. Who is silly enough to try to sue when the informed consent is signed. Ask around, everyone fails or is ignored by the LAW profession. If you are a dental expert witness, don't you already know???? You are likely one the guys who just covers the butt of the doctor. BUT, IF YOU REALLY CARE do your due diligence and help the injured. You'll likely have to put your hand back in your pocket though.
CT used to stand for Can't Talk. Now it stands for Cynical Thought (sorry, can't help myself). Why are you asking here? You can't get real stats here. You are here for another reason I suspect.


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Dr. Baxter
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Nov-05-02, 03:25 PM (CST)
 
2. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #1
 
   Actually, I do plaintiff work, so I am not "covering for other Doctors", thank you. There are competent attorneys who can do well in these cases too. Actually, I would like to get some statistics and write a paper on nerve injury to alert the profession of what can happen (if anyone will publish it).


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CT
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Nov-05-02, 04:45 PM (CST)
 
3. "Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #2
 
   Sorry. Just checking. Some doctors come here just to poke fun at us. Do a search on the main conference page and enter Dr. You'll see what I mean. Everything from "You've all sustained injury because you have a propensity for nerve damage" to "quit wasting our time trying to leech our insurance, you'll never win".

There are some stats available at the American Dental Association and or Maxillofacial Oral Surgeons Assoc. Ross, the moderator of this page will get the names right for you.They tally the number of reported injuries. You may contact Ross directly at the bottom of the conference page. If you are who you say you are, I know that Ross will be more than willing to share his research and experience in this area which is considerable. He is in the medical profession (undisclosed) and has suffered this same injury (lingual). There are interesting links on the home page which may guide you to other sites.

A point of interest and possible precedent is the opinion of the Board of Health in Great Britain has now or will in near future recommend the removal of wisdom teeth (that are not considered to be causing 'real' problems), that it is against public health. Poorly worded but I am in a hurry. This study is and will hopefully be a precedent for other countries. Their data is a good source I guess.
Talk to Ross. He would be more than willing to assist you, I'm sure.

My apology is sincere. Best of luck to you and any of your family who happens to think wisdom teeth are no big deal. That's what everybody thinks isn't it? Wisdom teeth. No big deal. Well, they are a big deal and this is a big story for whomever tackles it. Uncover this professional cover-up and you have a spot on 60 minutes or Dateline or wherever. Wouldn't you be shocked to find out how serious these injuries are especially if you have a teenage son or daughter and you're herding them off to the oral surgeon without a care except that dentist said so, only to come home PERMANENTLY DISABLED and in pain for the REST OF THEIR LIFE with little or no recourse AND NO COMPENSATION.
Please do your best. Get published. Good Luck.

CT


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ROE
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May-02-05, 01:48 PM (CST)
 
250. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #3
 
   I HAD TEETH BLEACHING 8 YRS. AGO IN fLORIDA I FELT A SHARP PAIN GO INTO MY JAW . I HAVE BEEN IN EXCRUCIATING PAIN EVER SINCE I HAD TEETH BLEACH. DENTISTS SAY I HAVE PERMANANT NERVE DAMAGE. I AM COMPLETELY DISABLED. ANYONE CAN CONTACT ME AT MITRA96@ aol.com


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JIM M
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May-12-03, 10:01 PM (CST)
 
48. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #2
 
   I HAD MY TWO LOWER WISDOM TEETH CUT OUT AT THE OHIO STATE SCHOOL OF DENTISTRY. THIS WAS TEN YEARS AGO I WAS SUPPOSE TO HAVE MY TWO UPPERS ALSO REMOVED BUT DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY AT THE TIME. I CHECKED AHEAD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THE DOCTOR WAS DOING THE SURGERY AND NOT THE STUDENT I WAS ASSURED HE WAS. MY TOP TWO WISDOM TEETH HAD COME THROUGH SIDWAYS AND WERE RUBBING MY GUMS MY BOTTOM TWO WERE IMPACTED AND NOT BOTHERING ME AT ALL. I WANTED THE TOP TWO OUT BUT WAS TOLD BY EVERYONE IN COLUMBUS OHIO THAT I WOULD HAVE TO GO TO AN ORAL SURGION. I HAD AN APPOINTMENT SET UP BUT HE WANTED PAID UP FRONT AND I DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE. HE BACKED OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE THATS WHAT SENT ME TO OHIO STATE. I FIGURED EVERYONE I TALKED TO GOT THEIR LICENSE THERE SO WHAT DID I HAVE TO LOOSE. I WAS TOLD BY ALL THE PROFESSIONALS I SHOULD HAVE ALL 4 REMOVED BECAUSE I WOULD ONLY HAVE PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD. STILL ONLY THE TOP TWO WERE BOTHERING ME. I FINALLY LISTENED TO ALL THE PROS AND AGREED TO HAVE THE OHIO STATES DOCTOR REMOVE THE 2 LOWER IMPACTED TEETH FIRST SINCE THEY WERE GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT AND IT WAS MY SLOW WORK TIME. I HAD MORE TIME OFF. I WAS THEN TO GO BACK AND HAVE MY TOP TWO REMOVED. THE DAY I WENT IN A WATER LINE HAD BURST. AND THEY WERE CLEANING UP WATER. THEY HAD ME GO INTO A ROOM AND WATCH A CARTOON . IT HAD A CAVEMAN IN IT. IT TOLD HOW WE USE TO NEED OUR WISDOM TEETH BECAUSE WE CAVE MEN USE TO CHEW STICKS AND ROCKS AND NOW THAT WE EAT SOFTER FOODS WE DON'T NEED THEM ANYMORE. (THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE TEACHING FOLKS) AT FIRST I DIDNT WANT ANYTHING TO KNOCK ME OUT BUT THEY TOLD ME IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR EVERYONE IF THEY DID. THEY HAD AN ANTHEST...OLOGIST COME IN AND GIVE ME AN IV. I DON'T REMEMBER GOING OUT BUT I REMEMBER COMING TO AND SEEING SOMEONE OTHER THAN WHO I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO WORK ON ME LITERALLY UP ON THE ARM OF THE CHAIR WITH HIS HAND DOWN MY THROAT. I REMEMBER FEELING PAIN GRABING HIS ARM AND THEN I WAS OUT AGAIN. I WENT HOME AND LIKE SO MANY OTHERS WAITED TO GET BETTER. FIRST A WEEK THEN TWO. I ALWAYS WENT BACK WHEN I WAS SUPPOSE TO I TOOK ONLY ASPRIN. I WOULD BITE MY TONGUE AND BLEED AND NOT KNOW IT. PEOPLE WHOM I WERE EATING WITH WOULD TELL ME I HAD BLOOD RUNNING DOWN MY LIP. EACH TIME I WENT BACK THEY WOULD SET THE APPOINTMENTS FARTHER APART. THEY HAD ME SEE A NERO SERGON HE STUCK NEEDLES THROUGH MY TONGUE AND SAID YOU CAN'T FEEL ANYTHING CAN YOU? I WAS AFFRAID TO GO BACK TO HAVE MY TOP TWO REMOVED. THE ONES THAT ORIGINALLY BOTHERED ME. I WAS TOLD THAT SURGURY WAS RISKY AND THAT MY NERVES HAD BEEN STRECHED AND NOT ALL THE SIGNALS WERE GETTING THROUGH. I WAS TOLD THAT THE LONGER I WAITED THE WORSE IT WOULD BE. I WAS TOLD THAT IT WOULD COST 2500.00 TO REPAIR BUT MAY NOT WORK. I MIGHT JUST FEEL PAIN INSTEAD OF TINGLEING. I WAS TOLD THEY COULD REMOVE A NERVE FROM BEHIND MY EAR OR SIDE OF MY FOOT BUT THEN MY EAR OR FOOT MAY BE NUMB. I WAS TOLD IF I HAD THE SURGURY AND THE RESULT WAS PAIN I COULD HAVE THE NERVES CUT AND I WOULDN'T FEEL ANYTHING. I WAS TOLD TO WAIT A YEAR THEN DECIDE. I REFUSED TO PAY I GOT TURNED OVER TO A COLLECTING AGENCY. I WAITED A YEAR STILL NOT ANY BETTER. I WENT TO MY ATTORNEY. HE ASKED IF I SIGNED A RELEASE. I CHECKED AND FOUND OUT I DID. HE TOLD ME IT HAD BEEN OVER A YEAR AND AND I SIGNED A RELEASE IT WOULD BEHARD TO WIN THE CASE. HE TOLD ME TO CHECK AROUND SEE IF I COULD FIND OTHERS THAT THIS HAPPENED TOO. THIS WAS TEN YEARS AGO. I DIDN'T HAVE EMAIL. THE FUNNY THING IS THE TOP 2 WISDOM THEETH CAME DOWN PERFECTLY STRAIGHT AFTER AWHILE. THEY HAD CAVITIES AND I WAS TO AFFRAID TO GO TO THE DENTIST AND HAVE THEM FILLED. THEY BROKE OFF. I WENT TO ANOTHER ORAL SURGON AND HE REMOVED THEM. HELL THERE WAS HARDLY ANY ROOT. ANY DENTIST SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REMOVE THOSE. THIS SURGION TOLD ME THAT SOMEONE REALLY HAD TO HAVE SCREWED UP TO DAMAGE BOTH OF MY NERVES. I'VE BEEN BACK TO OTHER DENTIST SINCE BUT NONE SEEM TO KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY WANT TO DO THIS OR DO THAT. AND MONEY MONEY MONEY.THEY ALL WANTED TO REMOVE TEETH WHICH I STILL HAVE ALL OF. WELL ANYWAY IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS AND I'M STILL MAD AS HELL. NONE OF YOU SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE THIS HAPPENING TO YOU. I DON'T BELEIVE IN SUING BUT THEY NEED TO STRESS THE SIDE EFFECTS 10 FOLD TO THE NEED FOR THE PROCEEDER. THE WISDOM IS IN YOUR TEETH. THEY MAY BE THE ONLY ONES YOU HAVE WHEN YOU GET OLD SO MY ADVISE IS KEEP THEM AND DON'T FORGET TO BRUSH, FLOSS AND PRAY.
JIM M


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DMilot
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May-13-03, 09:51 AM (CST)
 
49. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Sent ya an email.


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paul p.
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Aug-02-03, 09:08 AM (CST)
 
76. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #48
 
   basically the same thing happend to me with sidway impacted wisdom teeth, nerve damage, the whole thing about 10 years ago or more. i would never have had it done esp. by a student when i was told a oral surgeon instructor would do it . it was the worst experience of my life and it still troubles me today. sorry for your similar experience.


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ROE
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May-02-05, 02:42 PM (CST)
 
251. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   I HAD TEETH BLEACHING ,TODAY I AM DISABLED HAVE BEEN TO ALL THE PROS, SEEN A NEUROLOGIST TO. THEY ALL SAY NERVE DAMAGE ! NO CURE .TRIED EVERYTHING ...NOTHING HELPED . MY LIFE HAS BEEN RUINED.AT FIRST I SEEN A ATTORNEY SAID THERE WAS A LAW SUIT THEN AFTER 6 MONTHES HE CHANGED HIS MIND.....I CANNOT WORK . I HAVE TO TAKE ASPIRIN AND DIAZPAM TO COPE WITH THE SEVERE PAIN. THE DENTIST USED TWENTY PERCENT BLEACH FOR ABOUT 6 WEEKS... SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE FOR AN IMPROVEMENT TURNED OUT TO BE A NIGHTMARE! PATIENTS BEWARE!!!!MY E-MAIL IS MITRA96@AOL.COM


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kekeebler
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May-14-03, 10:11 AM (CST)
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52. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Dr. B-
Just found this post because of the recent responses to this string. Have you written a paper/how are doing with it? I have actually considered writing a book once my legal woes close..should I ever be able to file a case, that is.
Karen K


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smokesncoke
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Jul-05-03, 06:45 PM (CST)
 
75. "RE%3A Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   i have tried to sue because two years ago i had four rootcanals performed and an extraction and now i have been to 14 doctors regard what they called nerve damage. i have been in severe pain ever since my procedures and living in hell, the pain is so severe i can nolonger take it. i was a happy person before all of this. the dentist who did this is now in drug rehab and took his lince away. my two years is almost up and then i will never be able to sue anyone.all the apin medicine is not working and like i had sai i have been to so may different kinds of dentists and doctors and they all say it is from this produres and someone did something to me. plese help.


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terri
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May-18-04, 10:40 AM (CST)
 
153. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   One year ago, I went to my dentist whom I've been going to since a child (I'm 42 now), and I went last May because I had a severe stabbing pain in my right jaw and face that lasted for minutes and went away, but I assumed it was my right back molar. I went to my dentist and he took x-rays, and he said there was a hole in the tooth and it needed to be pulled. I had no tooth pain again before I went back that Saturday as he said he would pull the tooth.

He numbed me up and as he was prying up the tooth I felt a "shock-like" sensation in my jaw that was extremely painful and he could see it on my face, but I signaled for him to continue and the tooth came out easily. Then subsequently I had to go back because of a dry socket, which he packed, but it was about one day later all my horrible symptoms started.

I had severe twitching in my face and excruciating pain, my paresthesias in all my extremities started, blurred vision, difficulty with speaking, slurred speech, panic attacks, facial numbness, and fatigue. I thought I had a stroke and was off work for 6 weeks.

Now after a year of ruling out multiple sclerosis, stroke, and other medical conditions, I have no diagnoses and currently my neurologist placed me on Neurontin 300 mg a day. All MRI's, CT scans, MRA's, and numerous neurological tests have all been negative but (nonetheless all my symptoms started after having this tooth pulled) which in retrospect I wish I had gone to an oral surgeon instead of my dentist. I am now left with paresthesias, extreme facial pain, headaches, neck pain, tremors, and visual problems because of this. I might have to find a new position in the medical field now because it is affecting my medical transcription position at this time.


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Debbie
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Aug-09-04, 10:05 AM (CST)
 
178. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #153
 
   The shock you felt was a direct injury to a nerve, maybe trigeminal. I had the same problem from a novocaine injection 4 years ago and have had severe burning pain since. Very sorry to hear of your problems. I was out of work for a very long time on and off and this has cost me over $75,000. I am going to a new doctor this month who deals with nerve pain. I was initially told to give it two years for the pain to resolve, but unfortunately mine did not. I wish you luck.


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GG
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Nov-12-04, 00:22 AM (CST)
 
190. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #153
 
   I had a similar thing occur after an injection. Like you I had MRI MRA, EEG, and many other tests. However I had read that often things not picked up on MRI or MRA will show in an MRS test. My Physicians insisted that wasn't true, but after much persistance on my part ran the MRS test and it was abnormal. Perhaps this would be a useful for you to have done.


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numb
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Apr-15-05, 11:16 AM (CST)
 
248. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   did you sue your doctor?


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grace
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Nov-01-05, 07:12 PM (CST)
 
287. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #153
 
   Hi terry

i was just reading your message. I live in NY. In june had my lower wizdom pulled. I had a extraction done with that. I been all over to oral surgeons and oral maxxilfacial and all get is different answer. I feel all they are tryin to do is covering there ass up to advoided the consequences. They told me i have paresthesias. When i went to the maxxifacial he told me it sounds like i had a stroke or my brain is not fuctioning. They will tell u anything. Now i have no sensation on my whole jaw line or cheek. It is something that we have to stay with forever.


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Patricia
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Nov-03-05, 11:20 AM (CST)
 
289. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #287
 
   Grace--
check and see what they gave you for an anesthetic. Was it septocaine or articaine? That is what they gave me, and my tongue has been numb for over a year now,


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tom bair
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Jun-07-04, 11:06 AM (CST)
 
167. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   In what state do you practice law?
ty
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Debbie
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Aug-09-04, 09:39 AM (CST)
 
177. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   I was injured by an anesthetic injection (trigeminal/lingual nerve and also damage to my parotid gland) by an endodontist back in 2000. I have had severe burning on the side he injected ever since. I went back to the endodontist and he claimed he had no clue what was wrong. He knew I was planning to have the tooth he put the root canal in pulled because I thought maybe it was an allergic reaction. He never mentioned nerve damage and every other dentist I have been to said he should have known immmediately what was wrong. I have lost well over $75,000 in lost work, doctor bills and medication and my life has been a living hell. No attorney would take the case even after reviewing my records because they said it was a "assumed risk'. If I can help you with your paper by providing information, I'd be happy to.


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Gina
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Feb-17-05, 07:24 PM (CST)
 
216. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   I am on my fourth month of nerve damage. I am soooo discouraged. I attempted to set up several appointments and I could not find a lawyer interested in the case. My mouth was numb (tongue, no sensation in my teeth, couldn't chew on that side, face pain and drooling and slurred speech. The sensation has dimmed a little. I still can't chew on that side, and I have numb spots on my tongue. Any suggestions?


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Patricia
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Nov-03-05, 11:18 AM (CST)
 
288. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Gina-

I too have nerve damage to my tongue. It has been this way for a year now. I was given the anesthetic septocaine. My dentist told me first the numbness would last a couple of weeks, then up to 3 months, then 6 months, then a year. Today he told me it could last up to 3 years. In the meantime there is nothing that can be done. Keep in touch with me and let me know if you get any answers on a law suit.


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Dr. B
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Nov-03-05, 05:45 PM (CST)
 
290. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #216
 
   You can email me and tell me how the injury happened and where you are located Jcbax@aol.com


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Brent Adams
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Feb-21-05, 06:04 AM (CST)
 
217. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #2
 
   I am a dental malpractice lawyer in need of a general dentist who will testify that it is a violation of the standard of care for a general dentist to damage the lingual nerve during the extraction of a wisdom tooth.

If you are interested in helping me with this issue, please call me (910) 892-8177.


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side effect
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Jul-03-05, 07:37 PM (CST)
 
272. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   I went to the dentist to have crown work done on my right rear molar.
I was injected with SEPTOCAINE. When I was given the injection I could feel the pain, as if he was hitting a nerve. A temp. crown was put on. Three days later I still have numbness on my right lower lip, chin and jaw and I am still experiancing headaches. The Dentist wants me to call him back next week and if the pain does not go away, he wants me to see a oral surgeon. Is there any hope for me, will this numbness go away?


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Curious
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Nov-23-02, 09:11 PM (CST)
 
10. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #1
 
   Please help me: you mention the use of medication for nerve injury..what medication. Please help!

My dentist had the courtesy of showing me at least several
text books which show that there is a risk each and every time
we receive an injection....most of the time the "parasthesia" will
resolve itself, but takes usually several months, sometimes years.

It is not negligent on the part of your Dentist if you received
numbness as a result of an injection.....the Dentist cannot see your
nerve and has not done anything negligent. It is however, considered
negligent if the Dentist or Surgeon failed to inform you of the
risk involved prior to extraction of teeth which can also cause
numbness......it is not, however, negligent on the part of the Dentist
is numbness results from a procedure.....it is an unfortunate
risk of many procedures, and is equivalent to the many risks
involved during medical surgical procedures etc.


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jono
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Dec-07-02, 03:08 PM (CST)
 
24. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #10
 
   I agree that a doctor is not negligent for causing nerve dmaage, as long as the dentist has informed the patient of the risks specifically related to nerve damage.

My dentist had patients who suffered nerve damage before; one for as long as 15 months, but he did not say a word about any risk to me. If I had been informed, and free to decide, I do not think I would have chosen an injection. And I mean, not him having me laid back in the chair, and as he has the needle in his hand, telling me that there can be risks and numbness lasting longer than usual, .... I mean explaining the risks to me before it is decided by me that there will be an appointment.

I had searched for medications yesterday and found this, fwiw
http://tinyurl.com/3bnu

Jon


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Dr. B
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Dec-07-02, 03:46 PM (CST)
 
25. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   It is considered negligent if a dentist keeps injecting if the patient communicates that the nerve is hit. If the patient reacts as such, the dentist should withdraw the needle and reinsert it in a different path.


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Eleine
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Dec-31-02, 07:52 PM (CST)
 
27. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   I did not know that that kind of pain meant a nerve was hit. How was I to know? Was he supposed to tell me before he injected that if he was in a nerve it would feel like a searing jolt? I told him that it hurt like bleep after it had already happened. I also jumped when it happened.

Eleine


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Dec-18-04, 07:58 PM (CST)
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192. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #25
 
   "It is considered negligent if a dentist keeps injecting if the patient communicates that the nerve is hit. If the patient reacts as such, the dentist should withdraw the needle and reinsert it in a different path. "


The problem with this statement is that most Dentist never explain the risk beforhand. I am 47 years old and not one dentist I have been to has ever mentioned the possiblilty of hitting the nerve so how the hell would the patient know the nerve has been hit if the doctor didn't take the time to explain. I had no idea what the eclectrical jolt I felt in my tongue was. I told my doctor after he withdrew the needle. He still didn't say anything. I want to be informed about my care, medical, dental, vision. When I went in for surgery over a year ago, my surgeon went over the procedure in detail and explained all the risks and what to expect during recovery. It wasn't pleasant but at least I had the knowledge ahead of time of what to expect. Dentists need to start being more open with patients. I posted what happened to me on a dental BB a week ago. They all found it so amusing. One Dentist posted back the remark "Bullseye". Sorry, but my regard for the dental profession has taken a sharp turn for the worse.




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chris
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Jun-16-05, 09:59 PM (CST)
 
262. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #192
 
   When I received the injection, I told my dentist too, right after nearly jumping out of my chair. He did not say a thing... walked away



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Fuji
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Feb-14-05, 07:06 PM (CST)
 
209. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #25
 
   I'm thankful you are here to answer all these questions Dr. B. I have been growing in frustration ever since I had my molar pulled. My dentist gave me the injection strait down and turned inward. It was the worst pain I've ever felt. It had me moaning, squint eyed, arched back, while I squized the ##### out of my own hands. All he said was "sorry buddy" just a little bit longer and kept injecting. The pain was worse that having the decade tooth, so I thought it was infected. I wanted to get a second opinion plus I was affraid of him shooting that same nerve again. I didn't want anyone to touch it. Ended up, I had pieces of bone sticking out of my gums, so the other dentist grinded them down, packed it, and stiched it. Still the pain is almost unbarable, with the shocks being sent from my jaw, up to my temple and around my ear down to my neck. I had even called up my chiropractor to see if I needed adjustment. I called dentist after dentist, they all refuse to see me. Until I found this site, I didn't know why. They're all protecting each other. I tried to see a physician and they said no...I have to see my dentist. So in desperality, I called my dentist. I wanted to mak an appointment but he said I didn't have to come in. He perscribed me anti-biotics and pain killers. In my frustration I went to the ER and they said they could see nothing wrong. They didn't do any test, they just looked at it. I've been missing work for the past 3 weeks because either the pain or I'm too high to think strait. My job is very detailed oriented too. No one wants to see me...who do I call for help? Can I win a law suite? Is there a way to relieve the pain without narcs that are going to cloud my thinking? BTW-I'm located in Hawaii. Thank you to anyone who can give me some direction.


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dental witness
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Nov-05-02, 04:57 PM (CST)
 
4. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   My injury was done on July 16-02. I still am not back to normal. 50% I am 62 so I guess I will have to live with this for the rest of my life. I was given articain (Sepocain) or (Sepodont) is the brand name. If you look on this site they have recorded that there is 22percent more damage with this drug. It was known when it came into this country. There is documentation on this. My tongue is still numbed and I think that it will stay that way. They say the older you are the longer it takes to heal. I was never warned. My dentist stopped using it. Regards Shirleyanna.


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Joel Neally
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Nov-06-02, 11:11 PM (CST)
 
5. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #4
 
   I have had numbness in my tounge for 6 months. I recieved Septicane. My dentist said it was a new drug that worked better. I feel someone from the FDA should look into this. I am only 41 and I hate to think I will spend the rest of my life like this.


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7. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Joe,

You should file a MedWatch report with the FDA. If they get enough of them, they will investigate.

http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/report/consumer/consumer.htm


Ross


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Advocate
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May-22-04, 01:57 AM (CST)
 
156. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Re: Medwatch
It is important to file a Medwatch report, however the only way FDA can ascertain information that patients symptoms are not abating is through updated Medwatch reports. Patients who sustain Nerve Injury or other adverse events from a drug should first make an initial report. However, if symptoms are still present 6 months later, a year later, and longer continued updated reports that your problems are still ongoing also must be filed with FDA through an updated Medwatch report. This is the way the FDA learns of drugs that cause long term problems, and or permanent injury.

Often times unfortunately FDA despite incidence levels showing in Medwatch reports do not act in a timely fashion with many drug issues. Therefore aside from filing Medwatch initial reports and updated reports, it is also important that patients who sustain such injury write and call FDA to ask for further investigation. Often times it is through both patient and Physician calls and letters that prompts further review of the database of a particular medication.
Also you can obtain through an FOIA request * Freedom of Information Request at FDA a summarized copy of the post marketing reports that have come into their Medwatch database on the drug you received. This will enable you to see the number of cases reported and types of adverse events or injuries patients and their physicians have reported.

When a dental anesthetic is shown to have a higher incidence rate of nerve injury then others in its class, then FDA needs to insure full disclosure on product information, to issue letters to practioners, and patients should receive mandatory informed consent so that they can chose whether they are willing to take such a risk based on informed consent. Without the efforts of victims taking the time to make these efforts, many preventable injuries will continue to occur.


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Aug-06-04, 04:53 PM (CST)
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175. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #5
 
   I was also injected with septocaine, and was not given any warning prior to the procedure. It was not until AFTER the fact, when I went back to my dentist because of the continuing pain, that he showed me the insert that came with the septocaine, and it shows a very small percentage of patients complain of paresthesia after having been injected with septocaine (something like 1 percent). I contacted a representative of the septocaine company who told me that the sensation would only last three months (I am coming up on the three month period here shortly). I don't want to even imagine having to live with this for the rest of my life. I am in constant pain, some days worse than others. My tongue feels too big for my mouth. I have had to be put on antibiotics due to gnawing on the edge of my tongue. When will this end??? We have no recourse?? How can that be?? People have sued for ridiculously stupid reasons and WON!! And we have to live with this?? I can't believe this.........


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Diana Reichardt
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Jan-25-05, 03:05 PM (CST)
 
201. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #5
 
   >I have had numbness in my tounge for 6 months. I recieved
>Septicane. My dentist said it was a new drug that worked
>better. I feel someone from the FDA should look into this.
>I am only 41 and I hate to think I will spend the rest of my
>life like this.


I just went to the dentist yesterday and recieved septicane and the lower left quadrant of my jaw has been numb for over 24 hours. I am 31 and was terrified when i went in today and my dentist said it could be 2 weeks, 2months, or indefinate numbness!!!!


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inconvenienced
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Nov-13-02, 12:13 PM (CST)
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6. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   My lingual nerve was injured by an oral surgeon. Now he is doing monthly follow-ups on me. I was actually referred to a neurologist by my family doctor, but they "can't fit me in." So no one will help me. As I understand it, you can only file a lawsuit if you can prove: 1) your doctor did it on purpose, or 2) he/she is incompetant. Both would be extremely hard to prove. Also, I signed a consent form stating I knew 1% of people would get nerve damage. FYI, I read a document from the UK and they estimated that between 1.3% - 7.8% would get nerve damage from wisdom teeth extractions alone, and between .5% - 1% would have it permanently. If you want the reference, let me know, as I too, am writing an article on this.


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Dr. B
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Nov-20-02, 08:59 PM (CST)
 
8. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #6
 
   Under certain circumstances, a lingual nerve can be damaged during an injection without legal recourse as it is a "blind procedure" and one cannot see the nerve in an injection. However, if the lingual nerve is damaged during an extraction, I feel it is negligent to do so as we are taught to never go into the lingual area at all. It is a good sign that you are being followed however.


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Steven Kelly
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Nov-22-02, 06:55 PM (CST)
 
9. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #8
 
   Last Tuesday I went in for a root canal and my tounge is numb
and feels like I burned it all the time. The dentist was
trying to make sure I felt nothing. I told him I prefer a
little pain to being numb for a day. I wish he had listened.


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Rossadmin
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28. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #9
 
   Steven,

That is the one big complaint that I have with some dentists, they seem to insist on local anesthetics without giving it a try without them.

If you have too much pain and/or make it difficult for the the dentist to do their work, they can always inject you then and continue. Why the rush??

You expressed your preference and were ignored. This should not happen.

Ross


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DMilot
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Nov-25-02, 09:50 AM (CST)
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11. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #8
 
   Dr. B, unfortunately I will never know whether my injury is from injection or extraction because I underwent a general anaesthetic. They give injections into the site to cut down on post- op pain. I will never know. My only beef really is the sugar coating when explaining risk and the denial afterwards. For crying out loud, their arse is covered so why not HELP the frightened injured patient. They have nothing to lose by giving prompt medical attention (medication) and referrals. Many may be candidates for nerve resection but hey ship you out and tell you to wait, meanwhile the clock is ticking. That, THAT I BELIEVE IS NEGLIGENCE AND IF I HAD THE MONEY I WOULD TAKE THEM TO TASK ON THAT ISSUE. I'D STILL LOSE OF COURSE. I'VE LOOKED INTO CASES ALL THE WAY TO SUPREME COURT. IF YOU SIGN A WAIVER, YOU ARE TOAST!!!!!!!! Sure just wish these 'doctors' would just take care of us after the fact. It is a blind procedure so, OK. I can accept that. Just help me afterward!!!!!!!!! don't deny my injury or my pain. HELP US DOCTORS!!!!!!!!!


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Dr. B
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Nov-26-02, 06:21 PM (CST)
 
12. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #11
 
   The lingual nerve should not be damaged during an extraction, period.
Sometimes the alveolar nerve can be. I guess it was an oral surgeon who injured you. What treatment has he suggested?


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DMilot
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Nov-27-02, 10:28 AM (CST)
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13. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #12
 
   Get ready for this OK Dr. B.? And you will understand my sense of outrage. The treatment he suggested was to soak my mouth in boiling hot water (tea or coffee hot) 20 times a day (his so called 'energy soaks'). For 60 days I seared my nerve injury DAILY! My neurologist now thinks I have an enlarged nerve(sheduled for MRI in Jan). Wonder if that has anything to do with it. Who puts heat on ANY injury for that long!!! How can something heal when you are baking the injury??? I was so stupid, but anyway. Thats it. After giving me penicillin to make sure there was no infection, and checking to see that the surgical site was healed he said no you can't have any tylenol 3, see you in 8 months. Oh and NO you can't have an xray to determine if there is a bone chip or any other cause for my pain, even though he owns his own right there in the office. Then I asked for a referral to see someone because my MD said I should get the referral from the surgeon and he said NO! so I said I would go back to my referring dentist (whom I have trusted for 20 years). So he calls my dentist and tells my dentist that he 'has a problem with my pain" and has 'doubts' about it. My dentist then told me that I had nerve damage and that I should stop soaking in hot water and parroting "stay away from tylenol" and live with it. No mention of proper established medication etc.. I will be brief regarding the level of pain i was in (read post DIANA). Not knowing and being left in the dark and not knowing if the pain was to ever subside I began seriously considering the best way to take my life without (without it being too messy because that is just a burden to some poor soul) and was opting for the old garden hose to the tailpipe. Everyone thought I was crazy, people had trouble believing my pain level 10.....9......8.......7....6......7.....5.....8...24 hours a day , 7 days a week for months on end.I almost lost my job and even friends thought I had mental problems. Then as I sat sobbing, sobbing continuosly for 2 hours in public at a neighborhood pub trying to drink away my pain for even a few hours someone suggested I go on-line and find out what was going on. That is how I came here. This site may have saved my life. It got me the medication I needed and the emotional support I was callously DENIED. I have spoken with people who are so outraged at their treatment that some of them want to go back and kill their dentist. One day it will happen (not me!! not alluding or hinting) but someone is going to lose it and then all of this will come to light. Or not. Maybe just a line in the paper, but I would worry if I were a dentist or oral surgeon. I'm guessing he wanted me to slink away because his track record probably isn't good. Or he simply has no conscience. I don't know. I am injured. I have a speech impediment which affects my ability to make a living. I was treated extremely poorly. I have no recourse or compensation. I have pain 2400mg neurontin a day. I am a chronic pain survivor. I did it with the help I found here. I greet the new and frightened here because I knew in my heart when I came here knowing nothing, that my life was at stake. Anyone who comes here and cares is a godsend. Those that come to taunt (Dr. Williams) will not have an easy time here. Thanks Br. B. Thanks to New member CARINGDENTIST. IIf even one person suffers less then we have 'our recourse and we have our compensation'! There is more to every story but ....


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Lori Cardona
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Nov-29-02, 12:10 PM (CST)
 
16. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #13
 
   I just wanted to say sorry about your pain. I am not in pain, but my dentist also did somthing to my mouth when i pulled my wisdom teeth. I now have no feeling in the left side of my mouth, and it has been going on for @ 3 months. I wish that people were aware of all of the consequences that occur with having your wisdom teeth pulled. I was only 22 when i had my teeth pulled, i never realized that with along with the surgery, on of my five senses would be also taken from me. I can not taste hot or cold foods on the left side of my mouth and my senses have dulled to 50% less. This has been a great website for me to go to. I have learned much about nerve and nerve damage, however i wish that my denstist told me the side effects of having my wisdom teeth pulled. I too was thinking about doing a lawsuit, however not too many people who specialize in this field. I am planning a trip to boston, so hopefully i will find a treatment there, and maybe have a case- however the only thing i really want, is feeling back in my tongue,and to be able to taste again.


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Kayla101
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Nov-27-02, 11:00 AM (CST)
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14. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #12
 
   I went to 3 or 4 lawyers and they all told me I had no case because I signed the release. All the money in the world can't help my misery but has anyone sucessfully sued?


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Krystal
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Nov-27-02, 07:06 PM (CST)
 
15. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #14
 
   If anyone wants to sue, they should make sure that they find someone who specializes in Medical Malpractice. To do this, one can go to the ATLA website and find someone there. Also, a good attorney should front expenses for you so you are not out of pocket.

Regarding informed consent, there is NO informed consent for malpractice, so a good attorney can beat this regardless. I have several such cases right now. It is easier to prove negligence if a lingual nerve is injured due to surgery, but I have even got some settlements with injectional injuries. Also, failure to refer properly and timely is malpractice.

It really ticks me off when people get injured and then the DDS or MD won't give them pain meds cause they "might get addicted".


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Vincent Mays
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Dec-26-02, 05:28 PM (CST)
 
26. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #15
 
   Krystal,

If you have any information that can help me to find an experienced attorney please contact me ASAP! You can view my comments in the Lingual nerve damage from injection section. I am in San Jose, CA

Vincent
vdmays@yahoo.com


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BApepe
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Feb-06-03, 05:27 PM (CST)
 
35. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #15
 
   I want to know with the statement.....

Regarding informed consent, there is NO informed consent for malpractice, so a good attorney can beat this regardless. I have several such cases right now. It is easier to prove negligence if a lingual nerve is injured due to surgery, but I have even got some settlements with injectional injuries. Also, failure to refer properly and timely is malpractice.


I sustained this injury during the start of a root canal.....

When you are saying "I have several such cases" are these your cases as an attorney? Would you be willing to speak to my attorney? I can be reached at objtpepe@swbell.net... HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!


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BAPepe
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Feb-06-03, 05:53 PM (CST)
 
36. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #15
 
   LAST EDITED ON Feb-06-03 AT 05:54 PM (CST)
 
You made a statement to research ATLA website. I went to that site and am not able to find anything HELP....


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Lilly M. Long
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Dec-27-03, 04:11 AM (CST)
 
77. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #15
 
   I never there was such an amount of incidents with these type of dental injuries until this month when my feeling never returned after rootcanal. Dentist began rootcanal month ago. Said this jaw tooth had 4 canals. Stopped after three were drilled due to bleeding and could not see to do work. Went back app 10 days later as scheduled to finish. Drilled out all of 'packing' and drilled out 4th canal..Packed all 4 canals. Xrayed. Said had not gotten paking all way to tips. Had to drill and remove all of it and restart. Xrayed again. aid still not all the way to tip of roots but was probably as good as he good get it. Started work in chair @ 8:15. Finished @ 9:45a.m. That night feeling had not come back at all. Called him @ home. Said might take longer than normal to come back as I had required 2 injections to get numb. This was when I was told for 1st time EVER anything about lingual nerve injury, etc. Never heard of it befor. Said in 20 years of dentistry, never had this happen to one of his patients. By Sunday, some feeling back to 'outer gumline' and lip and jaw area. NO feeling to 'inner gumline' or right side of tongue. This is when I had the on fire burning tongue. Excruciating Pain. Called him 4 days later on Monday and went in. Told could take up to two weeks for feeling to come back. Went in again to be seen 10 days later. NO improvement at all. Refilled Pain med Hydroco 10:650. Told this day in 20 years of dental pravtice this had only happened to Four (4) of his patients and only one (1) had parmanent injury. (Different story from last visit. Both stories can't be true. Did he forget what he said before, trying to help me be calm, just saying something posative to certain extent)Said he was going to call a friend of his who was neurologist for phone consult and be back. Left room and returned shortle. Neurologist out for Holidays. Told him to just give me his name and I could call and make appointment with him when he returned. He said he didn't want to put me thru that. "You are already going thru so much with this that my having to deal with other Dr visit and wait, going and waiting in office to be seen and then going home, your whole day would be spent on one Dr visit. Let me do this for you". He said he would contact Neurologist and get phone consult, see what Rx he would recc, Prescribe Rx for me and call me at home afterward. This would 'save' me from having to go to yet another appointment. I think he was just looking out for self? Why not give me the name, or another name?I have bit my tongue SO many times. I can't eat 'real' food as I can't differiniate between a piece of meat and my own tongue, until it is too late. I do seem to have a small amount of very deep feeling in tongue, as last time I was trying to eat a bite ofbeef steak, I took a bad bite into tongue. Top center of tongue had a double sided hunk bit out, still attatched to rest of tongue by the center of it. Rinsed with peroxide, then salt water. Called Dentist. Said I did right thing. The only consents I am aware of signing were authorizations to file ins and guarantee of payment. I have paid my 50%. Nothing ever discussed with me ever about any type of possible nerve damage. Told me I could email him anything I felt might to beneficial to him. I emailed him a homepage on lingual nerve damage with several links, including how to contact State licensure board, judicial matters, treatment options, etc. Into 4th week now. If anything numbness is traveling into R lip area. Also emailed a homepage on this matter to attorney. He called ASAP next a.m., but I missed call. Will get a call from him 1st thing Monday a.m. per his secretary.
My tongue is constant fire, like being in boiling coffee. Even the air that moves thru mouth when breathing feels like slicing knives. Sounds exagerated, I'm sure.
Are you a lawyer, or MD? My own email is ARKangel@centurytel.net
Do you know of any dentist sympathetic to this problem in Mountain Home, AR or West Plains, MO or anywhere in this vacinity? Also that would not fear giving documented report, testimony if needed? I only have this temp packing in tooth right now, which is coming out. Do not trust dentist to finish work, based on him telling me 2 different stories about his track record and not giving me a referral. Almost like 'let's keep this between us thing'.Do you know of any favorable resources for my attorney to contact, expert witness, etc. Would you mind my lawyer emailing you, for any info help you might could give? Not a month into this, I can't imagine PERMANENT condition. Any advise, opinion on my legal standpoint. This may sound sour, but I don't think a patient should have to be expected to have permanent pain caused by someone else of this magnitude(even by unintentional) for nothing. Oh, he did not charge me for the 2 followup visits. All other work has been app $800.00 on this one tooth. I am 44, married and have 5 yong children @ home, which this type of pain will affect everyone somehow. Do you think I have any legal grounds?
I am sorry so long a message, but I did not want to write bits and pieces to several. I felt better insight response to just 'unload' on one person, and you seemed open and knowledgable in this. I read thru many messages for past few days before writing tis. ANY info, advise, referrals, anything at all greatly appreciated.
Thank You. Again you can contact me at ARKangel@centurytel.net
Please send me email if you don't mind when you reply to post. I will put shortcut on desktop for this enet page and hopefully find your notes again. Thank you and God Bless.


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patrick
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Oct-23-05, 03:15 PM (CST)
 
285. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #12
 
   I'm going on my fourth month with half my tongue numb. I notified my dentist the next day after the procedure (crown prep) and went in the next day to see him. He informed me then, and ever since, that there is absolutely NOTHING I can do to help this affliction, that only time will correct the situation. So I'm a little curious why other dentists or oral surgeons are telling people that drugs or anything else will help. Consequently, I've received a bill from him for over $500! I am in no hurry to pay this bill, and if I receive another one, I'm going to call and tell him I'm not paying if and until my tongue numbness goes away. Period.


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Dr. B
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Oct-23-05, 03:41 PM (CST)
 
286. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #285
 
   Because some meds do work and this guy should have been giving you some. Read around and you'll learn a lot. If you do not pay this bill, you could end up at a colection agency and ruin your credit. You should call the office, tell him your tongue is numb and if he does not forgive the debt, you will wage a complaint to the dental board. That should be more effective than just not paying the bill.


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teggypeg
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Nov-29-02, 02:27 PM (CST)
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17. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Hello Dr Baxter...I had a tooth extraction a year ago...it bled for hours and possible maxilla bone break..I had bone removed from the length of my cheekbone..I could not bite or chew for weeks and it is still painful..I suffered blackouts and dizzy spells since...I think a nerve has been damaged ..I am considering taking legal advice..my usual dentist said it would heal OK...I wonder if you could tell me if it is possible to damage the triginial nerve doing a forceful extraction...Thank you for your time
Teggypeg


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Dr. Baxter
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Nov-29-02, 06:03 PM (CST)
 
18. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #17
 
   The dentist probably tore into your sinus and damaged the trigeminal nerve. There are a number of factors to consider in a suit. Was this dentist an oral surgeon? If the tooth were to be a difficult extraction, you should have been referred. Were you referred to eb followed by an oral surgeon after the extraction? Were you give antibiotics? If the roots were long or hooked, the tooth needs to be sectioned out rather than "pulled" which would decrease the chances of a sinus perforation. Some people have pain and dizziness with this type of injury, and it cannot be easily repaired surgically.


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Teggypeg
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Nov-30-02, 06:29 AM (CST)
 
19. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #18
 
   Dr Baxter..you are a gem ..thank you....best to tell you the whole story...due to other bad experiences..amongst them I have wire in my jaw bone to to a lower jaw break having wisdom teeth removed and a numb mouth ..learnt to live with that..I have always gone to dentist and had been given the all clear..before I had pain !!!!...I put myself on antibiotics ( always keep some as standby for teeth ) fine it cleared up..then the tooth broke and I went to an emergency dentist ..I was surprised she said she would extract it as there was hardly any tooth left..OK be brave..she did not support my head in the proper manner and just held the top of my head ...my lower jaw was moving ten to the dozen with the force she was using...she pushed and tugged..then there was a loud crunch ..relief it was out ...she did not check the socket or advise me to bite on anything..at the time I was just so relieved it was out....I would say it bled a fair amount for at least 7 hrs...I did not investigate untill the next day ..the bone that was broken was across my gum line the length of my cheekbone..this was removed by my usual dentist (who I have no faith in either )..I did not look at the size of the bone..best not to !!I could feel a cracked bone in the area next to my eyetooth so back I went my dentist pulled and pulled on this and then said he was pulling on bone...leave it to heal...was that painfull!!...I asked him why I felt so rough he said perhaps the sinas was affected...it was about a month later I was walking into town ..very tired after work...my vision started to go ..my legs and breathing...after a few minutes ..it was as though a veil had been lifted from my eyes...returned to work and told one of the doctors there..he just said ..are you OK now !!!...it happened again a week later...I have been dizzy..giddy..off balance and blurred vision at varying rates since..it seems to be inside my head on the side of the extraction ( whoops forgot to say I had pain and swelling cheek area by the side of my nose and I still have nueralga..my docs have put it down to overwork ..I finished one job ...inner ear...tests OK...further damage to my neck ..eg cervical vertigo..ortho said arthritis in my neck not enough to cause the symptoms and wants MR scan ..cant have one due to wire...I also have pain in jaw joint and deep into my right shoulder ??...I also have Graves going on burn out which is not helping....I reckon a neurologist might be the best man to see...who would you advise..how can they find out if this nerve is damaged...but I am a great believer in reflexology..and the pain in my big toe is the trigeminal nerve area...the pain I can cope with but living on a roundabout not pleasent...I do not have high blood pressure so doubtful I had mini strokes...Sorry its so long and some is repeated...any hope with accupuncture ?? and I need another tooth out ...HELP !!
Teggypeg


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Dr. Baxter
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Nov-30-02, 09:28 AM (CST)
 
20. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #19
 
   Best to see a neurologist now I think. The problem is that an MRI would be the best way to go. Make sure you tell the neurologist about your dental experiences. You could also have a low grade chronic sinus infection which flares up and makes you sick and dizzy.
Tell him that too. If you need any more teeth extracted go to an Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeon. Do NOT let another generalist take out any more teeth! If the neurologist thinks this goes back to dental sources, email me and I will try to help you with a legal case.
Get your dental x-rays and keep them in a safe place in case you need them in the future.


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LC
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Nov-30-02, 11:14 AM (CST)
 
21. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #20
 
   Dr Baxter,
Out of curiosity where are you from? Any chance you are from ny? It is awesome to see dentists caring like patients like you have done...


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Dr. Baxter
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Dec-01-02, 10:09 AM (CST)
 
23. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #21
 
   I am in Chicago, and I practice here, but I am involved in legal matters throughout the US. However, I can't be of legal help in the UK or out of the country as I do not know how the system works anywhere but the US.


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nina
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Jan-05-03, 06:53 PM (CST)
 
29. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #23
 
   Dr. Baxter, if you have time to reply to me, my story is that I had a tooth overfilled since May 2002. I have been from doctor to doctor, the tooth is no longer there, but, the overfill is still in the nerve canal. I am still suffering from the pain and numbness. I was initially to have "microsurgery" back in September, but, the insurance denied the facility that wsa going to be used and then they denied that it was a medical claim after I found a different doctor, who was in the network and used a network facility. It took them two months to deny the claim again. Now it is a battle between the dental and medical insurance claim management people. We are now in 2003 and I am still in the same condition I was after being overfilled. My concern is that I was told by the first oral surgeon that this procedure needs to be completed as soon as possible to allow a better chance of recovery. By denying the procedure my recovery window is rapidly closing. Can you e-mail me your opinion of this matter at the following address: Sniper141@sbcglobal.net

Thank you,

Nina


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LexiDobe
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Jan-20-03, 08:47 PM (CST)
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30. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury/Dr.B- Chicago"
In response to message #23
 
   Hi Dr.B! I'm new to this site. I am so thankful to have found it. Seems like a great group of people who post here. Unfortunate that we are brought together due to these circumstances.

I sustained what I believe to be lingual nerve damage during an oral surgery procedure (performed by an oral/maxiofacial surgeon) on Thursday, 1-16-03. The right side (especially tip) of my tongue is still numb, fells 'hairy', burns when I brush it, can't sense hot or cold temps...etc.

I remember feeling that 'jolt' of pain when being injected the second time. When I jerked on the table, he said just relax Hun, you'll be ok. Continued to inject. I had no idea that he (I can only assume) hit the lingual nerve- or the effects!

He also performed a very forceful extraction. He drilled so hard and leaned into the drill that particles flew into my eyes. I had to shut them to keep the debris out. The assistant (standing on the other side) had to hold my jaw because he was pushing so hard that tensing my muscles to keep it in place wasn't enough to keep it from moving to the side as he pushed, pried, dirlled...etc. After the procedure, the assistant wiped blood from my face- eyebrows, forehead, cheeks, chin. The surgeon was spattered with blood on his mask and coat. I saw him changing it (coat) before he saw the next patient. Quite traumatic, but didn't realize it until a day or so after procedure.

Anyway, I see you are in Chicago. Wondering if you know of someone that you could refer me to? I don't even know where to go from here. I go back to him on 1-23 to have stitches removed. He said he would examine the tongue at that time. I'm afraid to even go back to have stitches taken out. When I talked to him on the phone post-op about the tongue being numb, he said the stitches are going to be tough to remove because it was a 'real hard twist'. Any idea what that means???? I'm in the Chicago area also. Please- any advice, recommendation, referral GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks!

J


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Dr. B
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Jan-21-03, 06:14 PM (CST)
 
32. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury/Dr.B- Chicago"
In response to message #30
 
   Please email me at Jcbax@aol.com


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walter
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Feb-22-04, 05:38 PM (CST)
 
106. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #23
 
   Dr. B. I went in for 2 root canals and 2 extractions. The most difficult proceedure was a wisdom tooth that was growing back to front below the gum, thereby applying detrimental pressure to the molar in front of it. The first three proceedures were a success in about 45 minutes. (the work was being performed on 32,31,30,and29)At any rate, the extraction went on and on for about 2 hours and 15 minutes. The dentist becoming quite tired and frustrated. Finally after removing only 15% of the wisdom tooth he said that my jaw had been open for too long and I would need to go to an oral, maxillofacial surgeon because it appeared that the root tips were fused together. Later that day I called the office to make him aware that the anasthesia had worn off but that I could not feel the right half of my tongue or the inner gum line on the right side of my lower jaw. He initially dismissed it as bruising due to the difficult nature of the procedure. I recalled that evening the doctor repeatedly and almost irritably calling for suction as he was in the process of opening a window of access through the gum to the tooth. The next day he called me in to the office on his day off and examined my tongue, after which he immediately requested that I make haste to the OS with no delay. The OS examined me and told me he felt that given the whatfors by my dentist and me it was his determination that my lingual nerve had been severed during my proceedure the day before. Keep in mind that neither procedure or exam were charged to me or mt insurance. That had all occured on the 3rd and 4th of this month. Iwent in for microsurgery on the 18th of this month (Feb) being told only that the possibility of full recovery was very slight if at all. this was the first time my situation had been given any pre warning so far. Icame out of surgery not only with the lack of any feeling in my tongue or inner gums but additionally I have no feeling in my chin, lip, teeth, or outergums all on the right side of my mouth. I am being prescribed small incraments of pain and sleep medications but only enough to keep me from oing postal at one of their offices. The final straw to this stoy is that I m an equipment operator and am unable to perform my duties as a result of my inability to focus. Please tell me that there is something that I can do to protect myself as well as my family. My E-mail addressis fenglish45@charter.net


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kyoung
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Feb-17-05, 11:38 AM (CST)
 
213. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #23
 
   I am currently suffering from effects of a "terrible" anthesheic injection from my dentist so he could do a root canal. I felt a shock when the needle was injected but didn't know why. After the injection, I felt numbness in my toungue. Called dentist, said should go away...luckily that pain did subside but now I experience numbness along side of my jaw, my ear gets hot( like a burning sensation) and sometimes i feel like tingling through my jawline. I even experience burning in my scalp. I even experience jolts of itchiness throughout my body. My doctor said it sounds like hives so i'min 180mg of allegra. Funny thing is all of this hives and everything occured after this terrible shot. Oh.. when i take my allegra I don't experience any numbness or burning in the scalp or jolts of itchiness over my body. Don't know what's going on. this has been ever since 9-03. Hope this is not permanent damage. Do you think that my burning scalp(only happens when i brush my hair) has anything to do with a nerve that my dentist may have damaged that connects to my scalp?


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Teggypeg
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Nov-30-02, 12:14 PM (CST)
 
22. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #20
 
   A Big Thank You for listening and taking time to answer....unfortunately I live in the UK and as far as I know all dental records and x-rays are the property of the health authority..I will find out about it ...I may also write again to the dentist who did this and ask for a referral to the dental officer...in the meantime I will ask to see a neurologist...I doubt if it is a sinus infection I have not had a cold for two years but then you never know
I will keep in touch..pity not more like you around
Teggypeg:-)


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Marina
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May-24-03, 05:32 AM (CST)
 
63. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #22
 
   Hi Teggypeg

I am also from the UK - I live in Northern Ireland - I had micro surgery in January 2002 in Royal Hallamshire Hospital in Sheffield.

How are you getting on with your compensation claim?

Have you been permanently damaged or have you had a successful operation to try and repair.

E-mail me please @ marinaconnor@hotmail.com

I look forward to hearing from you.


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Randi
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Jun-14-03, 08:01 AM (CST)
 
68. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #19
 
   Are you able to get a Bone Scan? If yes, get a 3 phase bone scan. Have you had a pana(flex)(sp) x-ray? the one that goes all the way around? Perhaps you have a deep underlying infection. A lot of your symptoms sound like what I had(have) a bone/bone marrow infection. Mine started with a porcelain veneer placed on front tooth - which led to trigeminal nerve pain for a year. I am FINALLY feeling relief. I am suing. I NEVER signed inform consent for ANY procedure and I ended up with 7 (teh last two of which saved my life!) - 2 root canals, an apicoectomy, tooth extraction, 2 debridements and bone removal. It's been hell!!! The dentists plain suck. They know but don't say anything. The hospital of the university of PA saved me. Within 5 minutes they had me diagnosed where 10 other specialists consisting of dentists, oral surgeons, neurologists and 2 other hospitals and er rooms had failed me. I am NOT tying to frighten you. There is a great chance what you have can be fixed - it just might be an infection. I was at home with a PICC line for 3 1/2 months and that cleared the infection. I have been dealing with the aftermath of all of it. No front tooth - still pain, exposed roots because gum tissue had to be removed, will need braces because teeth shifted. I should be getting my second flip tooth in 3 weeks (been in the house for a year.. did I mention my first year wedding anniversary is coming up in 2 days?! -- yes. I am angry - this happened during my first year of marriage and I had a miscarriage due to the infection/stress. I hate that dentists DO NOT Help with the aftermath - if they cause something then ADMIT it.. be human. No wonder it is the dentists that have the highest suicide rate of professions <giggles>... then feels bad for giggling.


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LBO
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Jan-21-03, 03:52 PM (CST)
 
31. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Dr. B- I was wonding if you have any opinion on my situation. I am 23 and had my wisdom teeth removed about 5 weeks ago. My teeth were very impacted. Both the top and bottom were removed, and I was told by Dr#1 that the lower ones would require bone graphs. During the surgery (by an oral surgen referred to me by my dentist) I was awake about 90% of the time even though I was given the max. amout of anesthesia allowed. The whole time I was terrified, in pain, and very uncooperative. There are two doctors in the practice so the next visit I saw Dr2 (the one who had not done the surgery). He packed the bone graphed lower right area with a tiny peice of gauze with some numbing stuff in it. This was maybe within 6 days of the surgery. Then I came back in a few days. Saw Dr2 again, I told him I had to remove the gauze peice myself the other day because The pain was even worse then before. I asked about some tiny peices I noticed in my mouth and if those were the bone graphs coming out. He looked puzzled, **"oh, they did graphs on you?" and left to go look at my chart. Ok, so he didn't know when he packed that area that it was a bone graph. He said that yes, the tiny peices are the bone graph rejecting and gave me some pennicillin cause he said there was a bad infection going on with the two lowers. I go back and see dr#1...first time since the surgery. He pokes around some and I tell him I am still in pain, but was told this is just the process of bone rejection. **"Who told you that??"- He leaves the room looking a bit annoyed then returns with the chart and tells me he wants me to start on amoxocillin which is stronger and will hopefully kill the infection. During all this I am constantly applying moist heat and whatnot. Ok, then I see Dr#2 again. He says (this is about 3 weeks after the surgery) that there is no more puss. The infection has apparently cleared. Cut to present day (5 weeks from surgery). I have numbness and achy discomfort on both sides of the gum line. My tounge is also slightly numb on both sides. My face has become slightly swollen again (within the last week). I have spoken to the top OS in Florida and was told that it is very unusual that I received a bone graph. He sees no reason for it. I feel that the fact that I recived such incompetent treatment afterwards (**the two occasions I was treated w/o the the doctors looking at my chart before treating me) and since I have been told I should not have recived the bone graphs in the first place gives me a solid basis for a case. I am seeing another specialist tomorrow to find out the extent of the nerve damage. Any thoughts?


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littlebit
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Feb-05-03, 12:29 PM (CST)
 
33. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I WENT TO HAVE A TOOTH PULLED THAT WAS BOTHERING ME DEC 17,03 I WENT TO A DDS HE NUMBED AND NUMBED MY MOUTH BUT NEVER COULD GET IT NUMBED ENOUGH TO PULL MY TOOTH SO NOW IVE ENDED UP WITH THE TOOTH AND A NUMBED TONGUE AND GUMS ON MY RIGHT SIDE OF MOUTH HE PUT ME ON A 12 DAY SUPPLY OF PREDISONE AND THAT DIDNT HELP ONE BIT SO HES PUT ME BACK ON PREDISONE FOR ANOTHER 12 DAYS WHO NOWS IF THAT WILL HELP OR NOT IM BEGINNING TO THINK IM PERMANTLY DAMAGED IF ANYBODY GOT ANY INFO FOR ME POST IT HERE OR EMAIL ME @ AGRAVELY102@YAHOO.COM......OH YES WOULD LIKE TO NO IF CAN SUE???


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BAPepe
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Feb-05-03, 08:33 PM (CST)
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34. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I am searching for a dental expert. When you state you are an expert can you explain what type of expert? I have damage that happened during a dental procedure. I really need help and keep running into walls. How can I make contact with you to research further. This is the second message I posted and am not sure if you would be able to contact me at a home e-mail. if so e-mail opjtpepe@swbell.net. I have the chemical names and my history since the procedure documented.... help!


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RW STALEY
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Mar-25-03, 10:01 PM (CST)
 
37. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #34
 
   I am an oral surgeon and also an attorney. I have been involved with plaintiff lingual nerve injury cases for years, as an expert witness and as a lawyer. Please contact me for indivual situation discussion at
503-399-4743 R.W. Staley, Jr. D.D.S. J.D.


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B Pepe
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Mar-30-03, 07:54 PM (CST)
 
38. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #37
 
   I had a root canal done almost two years ago and I’ve been numb on the left side of my face and left side of my tongue and not taste on the same side. I live in constant pain ever since the procedure. It may be from the injection for septocaine or articaine the numbing agent uses. Please contact me at my e-mail address objtpepe@swbell.net or call me at my home phone 817-467-2313

B Pepe


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Alice
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Apr-06-03, 08:46 AM (CST)
 
39. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #38
 
   Dr. B,

Did you consider suing after the back injury you suffered? I noticed you started supporting informed consent after that, and that you went to a pain clinic for treatment. Did any lawyers confront you at the pain clinic, asking into your reason for being there and offering to "represent" you?


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Dr. B
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Apr-06-03, 08:56 AM (CST)
 
40. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #39
 
   This is an old injury which acts up, sometimes very badly. Actually, I wish I had sued when it originally occured, but I didn't know it would dog me for life (I was young and dumb!).


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Justin
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Apr-06-03, 12:02 PM (CST)
 
41. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #40
 
   Alice,

I've just been a spectator but I had to say--I know what you mean....it makes me so hoppin' mad--people who narcisstically use and try to take advantage of people in their moments of vulnerability, under the guise of helping. Try to use them for their own financial and/or emotional reasons, very narcissistic, under the guise of helping. These so-called helpers really hate empowerment and true healing and wellness in others, and feed off misery, because it maintains their positions of false power. I'm not saying all lawyers are like this, but there's a lot of this element. Very maddening.


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Dr. B
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Apr-06-03, 01:53 PM (CST)
 
42. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #41
 
   I've worked with some lawyers who really cared about their clients and others who could care less. In the end though, if the lawyer is
competent, the client should end up with some money.


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Alice
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Apr-06-03, 04:04 PM (CST)
 
44. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #40
 
   Dr. B----That helps explain a lot of your anger. So, you went into the hospital in a lot of pain, and they didn't help, or you ended up in worse pain after the visit, from a botched visit? How did your initial injury occur? From an accident? From a back surgery gone wrong? Please try to answer these questions honestly.

Part two: Besides being "young and dumb", what other reasons can you give for a person not taking the litigation route? I know for myself, I'm more interested in getting better than getting even. And even the amount of money I would get IF I won a lawsuit (which rarely seems to happen) would be a short-lived victory and wouldn't come close to the liberation I would feel at restoring the nerve. I just wish a doctor would join us here who was working in the field of nerve regeneration and working to help restore us in the fuller sense.


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reesatay
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Apr-05-04, 08:41 PM (CST)
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132. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #44
 
   LAST EDITED ON Apr-05-04 AT 08:43 PM (CST)
 
Alice,

For me it comes down to money. It would probably cost me more then what I could win. No lawyer wants to take my case because of this and I don't want to waste my own money to prove a point. Sometimes you just have to fold your cards and let it go. I have to focus on healing and use my money for the treatments I need.

Another problem is that in most states the usual statute of limitations to file a case is 1 year. In California you can extend it with a letter stating you intend to file a case, but that only give you three more months. This isn't much time to get your medical and legal issues taken care of.

Speak to several lawyers to see if you have a case. The lawyers you speak to will be brutally honest with you about your possible case. It all comes down to money and how hard it will be to prove the dentist screwed up.

The liberation you speak of from being healed from your injury is what I dream of and imagine we all do. Money will not make your nerve heal, but it does allow you to get the treatments that help you find comfort and relief from it. I say if you can sue then do so.

Good luck

"T"


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Paula Cross
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May-13-03, 09:50 PM (CST)
 
50. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #40
 
   Hi
On Aug 1 I had and injection for a crown the first injection I felt resistance. I called the dentist the next day and he said I must of hit a nerve it will be 2 mos. well it has been 9 months. After a week I saw the oral surgeon and he said 2 to 18 mos. After I came home being an Ortho-Bionomy Practitioner I washed my hands and started working on points in my mouth also holding my tongue on both sides it helped allot so I do this daily or more if I have time. There is Practitioners in the Chicago area this is a must for your back check out the web site www.ortho-bionomy.org. I am thankful to have found this web site. This has been a painful ordeal. Ortho-Bionomy in my mouth gets blood flow to the point and some mornings I wake up it almost feels normal then as the day goes on it gets to be painful. So I just work on myself. I have had a physical therapist do ultra sound on my jaw is this safe? I am seeking to find someone to help me sue also. I hope you go to see anOrtho-Bionomy Practitioner its gentle and you'll be gled you did. Paula Cross


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Dmilot
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May-14-03, 09:18 AM (CST)
 
51. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #50
 
   Paula, is your injury to your tongue and gums aka lingual nerve damage? Are you experiencing any numbness and or pain.? Could you please describe your symptoms in relative detail? I would like to increase the blood flow in my tongue/jaw/gums and you have piqued my interest a bit. Thanks.


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Paula Cross
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May-14-03, 10:05 PM (CST)
 
53. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #51
 
   Hi Dmilot
I am an Ortho-Bionomy practitioner and although I haven't had training in my mouth from what I have learned I just do points in my mouth. I wash my hands and then I start by placing my thumbs in the roof of my mouth resting my hands on my face. after a few seconds I move to other pts. I also take my index finger to the back of my tongue and if I find a tender spot I put a little pressure and wait.I also go to the center of my tongue and push very gently back while I push my tongue out like doing an isometric. I also take all four fingers on each side of my tongue and lay back relax and just hold some time you will feel a gentle pulse this is blood flow.I have pain in my bottom and top gum so on the bottom I place an index finger on sight of injection and one index finger on outside of jaw matching fingers point to point wait you may feel a pulseing maybe not just keep working. Work the whole inside of mouth. I also do the Tmj joint on the outsides. Hope this is helpful let me know. Paula prcross@frontiernet.net


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Dmilot
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May-15-03, 03:06 PM (CST)
 
54. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #53
 
  
Thanks Paula. I will try these things and see if I can feel the blood flow. You didn't mention if you have lingual numbness, tingling, pain or al or what. Just curious if you want to share. I have all the above in gums , 1/2 tonge and right jaw. I swelling going on and wonder if it a blood flow issue? I'll get back to you. thanks again. Interesting.


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Randi
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Jun-14-03, 08:25 AM (CST)
 
69. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #54
 
   Hi Dmilot,

Perhaps you are a candidate for Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy? This increases blood flow greatly. I was going to have it done, however my osteomyelitis responded to IV antibiotics. Now I am waiting for my trigeminal nerve to heal - oh what fun !

Check out HBOT: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=hyperbaric+oxygen+therapy

Randi


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Paula Cross
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May-15-03, 10:40 PM (CST)
 
55. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #51
 
   Dmilot
Yes I have pain and numbness in tongue and gums. The first injection I felt him go in deep and finally resistance this being the nerve then a zing and pain. I hope I can still try to file legal action. If you know how I can proceed plese advise. thanks Paula prcross@frontiernet.net


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Switzer
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Apr-16-04, 10:41 PM (CST)
 
142. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #38
 
   Hello
The same thing is happening to me. What is happening to you now? Has your situation improved?


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theresa
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Mar-28-04, 01:17 AM (CST)
 
128. "neve injury"
In response to message #37
 
   I have a couple of questions for you and would like to know if you can give me some advice. A year ago I had some crowns put in over my real teeth. I would say 2 wks later I felt ear pain and after that roof of mouth pain. Roof of mouth pain got a little better. Recently went back to oral surgeon had extraction by sinus and another extraction on upper right side. Also my general dentist gave me 5 injections to my jawbone and only managed to get the tongue numb but not the tooth itself which was at the bottom left towards the front teeth. My question to you is this, I felt jolts to the tongue for at least 3 wks, lots of burning pain, and now I can not touch upper and lower teeth together without pain and I am getting a funny sensation at the roof of my mouth again and I also hear popping sounds when I talk which does not feel like the jaw joint. I was told this is myofacial pain. I am concerned as to what this is. When I talk my tongue feels tight, and I get this tight feeling in the lower teeth and gumline. Is this nerve damage in any sort. I have never experienced such weird sensations. The oral surgeon told me to wear a night guard because they said this is contributed to clenching and grinding. All the nightguard does is hide the pain I think. When I take it off I feel the pain again at the bottom of the mouth and the teeth and gums feel tight. I am so confused and scared. Any advice might help


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Sam
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Apr-06-03, 02:23 PM (CST)
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43. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Hi Dr. Baxter,

My injury was the third week of February. My
dentist is referring me to an OS tomorrow. He
says he's never seen a lingual nerve injury, but
has seen the other kind (Inferior Alveolar).

Is the referral to an OS 8 weeks later considered
prompt ? When my dentist told me he thought I had
lingual nerve damage, (5 weeks ago) he also said it
would probably get better on it's own in time.

Because the injury happened at his hands, I feel
he's obligated to pick up the cost of the OS and
whatever future treatment this injury necessitates.
If he agrees to this, then I will not seek a lawsuit.
He's a really nice guy and his kids (twins) are in
one of my children's school classes. Hopefully,
it won't come to having to file a lawsuit in order
to get this taken care of. My hopes are that it
will go away on it's own and I'm encouraged to that
end. Just in the last 48 hours I think I'm having
less tingling and numbness.

Take Care,
Sam


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Dr. B
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Apr-06-03, 09:28 PM (CST)
 
45. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #43
 
   Your dentist is acting responsibly and I think he'll proabably pick up the Oral Surgeon's tab, if not you certainly can tell him you feel that he should. You actually sound like you are recovering however, so I hope that you will not need any treatment.


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Sam
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Apr-08-03, 09:45 PM (CST)
 
46. "RE: For Dr. B..."
In response to message #45
 
   Thanks for your prompt response, Dr. B.

I have the referral, but I think I'm going to
have to press a little harder to get my
Dentist to offer to pay for the specialist.

Thanks so much for the words of encouragement
on my recovery. I'm hoping it's complete and
nothing futher needs to be done. I'm totally
scared now to have anything done that involves
another injection of any kind.

Take Care,
Sam


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Dr. B
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Apr-09-03, 03:27 AM (CST)
 
47. "RE: For Dr. B..."
In response to message #46
 
   Make sure to go to the oral surgeon and do as directed even if you have to pay. If this would go to suit and you did not follow up, the defense would blame you for not doing so. (Not fair but I know the game).

Do tell your GP you feel he should pay, as he caused the problem. If you incur any bills and he won't, first complain to the local dental society and the Department of Education and Regulation in your state prior to thinking of a suit. Letters from DER are very scary to professionals.

From your symptoms, I think you are on the mend, but best to follow protocol till you are sure.


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Chris
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May-17-03, 08:46 PM (CST)
 
56. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   on May 7th, 2003, i went in to my dentist to have 2 cavities on my lower right side filled. i informed the dentist that i hadn't been to a dentist in at least 10 years, sad but true.

when it came time to do the work, he asked me if i remember being numb when i had cavities as a kid, i said yes, i remember novicane . that was it, end of discussion. open wide and here it comes. i don't know what he injected me with, and i had no idea what to expect. during the injection, i think he did it twice, i felt a firey sensation in the right tip of my tongue. it made me wince, and grunt, and grip my chair pretty tight. but he kept going because i didn't realize how serious it was at the time. after that i can remember feeling liquid go into my jaw, weird feeling. so my face shut down as normal, i couldn't speak for the rest of the night, very intense.

2 days later, May 9th, i went back to him with a concern. i couldn't taste anything. he said that it's happened to him before, and it will heal. it could take several months, but it will heal. that was it. no other info. so i left, relieved that it would get better.

it's been almost 2 weeks now and nothing has changed, except that i feel a slight burning sensation along the side of my tongue. still no taste. where do i go from here? how can i know if this is permanent? what are the dangers of using the steroids that people on this board have mentioned? what are my legal rights? how do i convince my wife and daughter that dentists aren't bad people?

thanks for any help, you can email me at claflin@outrage.com

chris


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Dr. B
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May-18-03, 08:20 AM (CST)
 
57. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #56
 
   You must indicate to the dentist that the nerve is hit and he should stop injecting. He may have thought you were just anxious about the injectionas you had not had one for 10 years. Most people recover, but get to an oral surgeon and have this followed up. You wife is old enough to make her own mind up about dentists, but it would be most unfortunate for your daughter if you passed the fear or anger against them to her.


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Chris
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May-18-03, 10:19 AM (CST)
 
58. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #57
 
   thanks. i'm not scared, or angry over this. i'm frustrated. i'm only 26 years old. i decided to get my oral hygiene in order so that my 2 year old daughter would learn good habits. i don't intend to change that path, just dentists

i will follow up with an oral surgeon. is the steroid treatment recommended? honestly, i don't want to go that route. but if it's the only way to get back to normal, than i'll do it. i figure i've got quite a few years left, would be nice to be able to taste things.

one more question, how was i to know what it felt like to hit the nerve? i was no older than 16 last time i saw a dentist, and that was only for x-rays and a check up. should professionals really expect and assume that laypeople know what is going on?


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Dr. B
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May-18-03, 11:33 AM (CST)
 
59. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #58
 
   If you read around the site, you'll learn quite a bit, and folks do usually recover. I don't like to prescribe drugs unless they are necessary, so I would definately fllow up with an OS and see what they say. As you will also see, many folks here have taken vitamin supplements which have no harmful effects and it can't hurt to start on those.

Usually when the nerve is hit, the patient reacts in an extreme fashion, sweating, waving a hand, wailing, moaning etc. However, some patients are so nervous they are always hanging onto the chair, and this makes it more difficult for the dentist to tell if anything is wrong. Since you were never with this guy before, it would give him no baseline of your behavior to judge by. Also, I hate to say it but young men fuss more about injections than women or older folks. But, I always tell my patients to wave their hand if they want me to stop, and I do stop if they indicate I should.

I have testified in lawsuits where it is very clear the patient wanted the dentist to stop but they did not, and this is negligent.
Otherwise it get's "gray" and more difficult to prove the case.

Last of all, there are folks who experience nothing unusual with an injection and still get nerve damage. There is no liability at all in these cases as the dentist can't ever see the nerve and if the patient shows no reaction, the injection would be given as usual.


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kekeebler
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May-19-03, 08:48 AM (CST)
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60. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #59
 
   Dr. B
At the top of this string you reference writing a paper/article about inforamation you have gathered. Did you ever do that?
Karen K


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Mary Ann
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Jun-13-03, 04:18 PM (CST)
 
67. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #58
 
   Chris,
You bring up an excellent point. If (as I've read) a nerve can be damaged from injection anywhere from .15 to 2% of the time, why aren't all dentists explaining the risks, and setting up a system whereby the patient (the only source of information in this "blind" procedure") can signal that a nerve is hit? Only then is the dentist fully free of all blame. Otherwise I would say this is indeed negligence. I, like you, had a reaction when injected and now suffer pain and numbness.

I'm fired up - I think I'll write a letter to the editor of the Journal of the American Dental Association.


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Randi
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Jun-14-03, 08:28 AM (CST)
 
70. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #67
 
   I am sorry about what happened to you, Mary Ann. You can sue - use your anger there. Even if you signed an informed consent... did you dentist explain the risks? Did you sign? Talk to an attorney anyhow,. you may be surprised.

healing and peace,


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Gwen
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May-19-03, 01:18 PM (CST)
 
61. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Have you heard of cases where patients have developed trigeminal neuralgia immediately after a dental cleaning.


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Dr. B
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May-19-03, 03:12 PM (CST)
 
62. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   No and I cannot imagine such a relationship.


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BEV
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May-31-03, 06:24 PM (CST)
 
65. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   I had a burning painful mouth after oral surgery and was labeled with "burning mouth syndrome". I have seen so many doctors and dentists and have had many tests done, ie, diabetes, sjogren's syndrome, vitamin deficiencies, etc. I have taken many medications and am now on klonopin, but nothing is helping me. I am in excruciating pain 24/7. I was fine before this oral surgery. My mouth also feels raw and dry and I am feeling very depressed over this, although I am not a depressed person. What are your thoughts on this because not one medical professional has mentioned nerve damage....one oral pathologist said that I have neuropathic pain and recommeded elavil, neurontin and klonopin. Thanks.....


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Dr. B
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May-31-03, 09:40 PM (CST)
 
66. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   What type of surgery did you have?


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Joanie
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Jun-24-03, 05:19 PM (CST)
 
72. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   In April of this year I had 3 teeth on top pulled, 2 composites were there also and pulled out. Then on the bottom right, last tooth, it was pulled. It was very hyperthrophic, growing high and up. I had to have false teeth made, upper plate.

It was about the third week, suddenly, shooting pain in my bottom teeth, all that is there, each one hurt so badly, daily for about 10 days. Then one week later, I had a numb nose, upper lip and upper gum also. Still to this day, it is the same. I also had Vertigo start, very strong at first, but has reduced, but still there. Just last week, on the bottom lip, sudden, striking pain. Then it left. I do not know what is going on here. Please give counsel.


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Dr. B
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Jun-24-03, 05:43 PM (CST)
 
73. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #72
 
   Was this a GP or oral surgeon who did the extractions? Where are you located?


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JOANIE
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Jun-29-03, 10:58 PM (CST)
 
74. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #73
 
   THE ORAL SURGEON DID EXTRACTIONS ON APRIL7, 2003

I SAW HIM ALMOST ONE MONTH LATER AND HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT IT. NOTHING !!!

HE TROUBLEDSHOOTED IS ALL.

I DID ALL HE TOLD ME TO DO, SO NO CHANGE.

I RECENTLY SAW MY GENERAL DENTIST AND HE SAID, MAYBE IT WILL GO AWAY IN TIME.

AGAIN, NO ONE CLAIMING THEY KNOW WHY THIS IS THERE, ME BEING NUMB BEHIND THE NOSE, UPPER GUM AND FRONT TOP LIP.

IN THE 3RD WEEK, AFTER EXTRACTIONS, I HAD SHOOTING PAIN ON BOTTOM JAW AND THRU THE BOTTOM TEETH, MAN WAS THAT SHOCKING.

THEN VERTIGO IS STILL THERE. NO ONE KNOWS WHY IT CAME RIGHT AFTER TEETH PULLING.

I AM IN SALEM, OREGON.........WHY?


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knockodina
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Dec-28-03, 06:21 PM (CST)
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78. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   DEAR DR. BAXTER, WHEN I PUT IN NUMB TONGUE ON MY SERCH ENGINE I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD FIND ANYBODY SUFFERING LIKE ME.. I WENT TO THE DENTIST AND WHEN HE INJECTED MY FRONT TOOTH I STARTED SHAKING AND GETTING COLD HE INSTANTLY SAT ME UP AND SAID " OH MAYBE GAVE YOU A LITTLE TO MUCH" I STARTED GETTING NUMBNESS ON THE TIP OF MY TONGUE WHICH TRAVELED TO THE BACK.. IT FEELS LIKE SOMEONE TOOK A RAKE AND RAKED MY TONGUE. I THOUGHT IT WAS MY NERVES AND STARTED TAKING ANTI DEPRESSANTS BECAUSE I STARTED GETTING TIRED AND FELL OFTEN..HE FINALLY DID A ROOT CANAL ON THAT TOOTH AND IT KEPT FALLING OUT THE LAST TIME THE POST BROKE OFF AND HE COULD NOT GET IF OUT SO HE LEFT IT !! AND PUT IN A LARGER POST TO HOLD THE TOOTH .. IT STILL CAME OUT I NOW HAVE 7 ROOT CANALS IN THE FRONT HE NEVER GAVE AN EXPLANATION FOR DOING THIS.. OF COURSE I GO TO A NEW DENTIST BUT IT IS TOO LATE HE WANTED TO KNOW WHY I HAD SOMEMANY ROOT CANALS.. OF COURSE I COULDNT ANSWER.. HE TRIED TO GET OUT THE POST TO NO AVAIL. HE TRIED TO REPLACE THE TOOTH BECAUSE IT KEEPS FALLING OUT.. FINALLY HE MADE UP THE TWO FRONT TEETH TOGETHER.. IT IS STAYING IN BUT I AM GETTING MORE NUMBNESS OFTEN TO MY LIPS..I NEVER THOUGHT ANYBODY ELSE SUFFERED FROM THIS TOO!! I FELT CRAZY SAYING I HAD NUMB TONGUE TO ANYBODY AND FELT I WAS JUST ALLERGIC TO MY MEDICATIONS , ANTIDEPRESSANTS. AND KEPT MAKING THE DOCTOR CHANGE THEM SHE IS AT A LOSS FOR THE LEG PAIN WHICH COMES AND GOES AND THE FALLING, OR LOSE OF STRENGTH IN MY LEGS.. I AM A VERY ACTIVE PERSON AND EVEN WENT FOR LYMES DISEASE TESTS.. TO NO AVAIL CAN YOU HELP ME ????
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Dr. B
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Dec-28-03, 06:52 PM (CST)
 
79. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #78
 
   Gp to the American College of Prosthodontists website and find one in your area. Have them evaluate your dental condition. If you continue to have the tongue and lip symptom, get a referral for a neurologist from the Prosthodontist or your MD.


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Sharon
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Jan-19-04, 10:40 AM (CST)
 
80. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   My dentist told me there was nothing that could be done and he has had 5 other cases in his office in the past year. However, I went my neurologist anyway and he told me the same thing, nothing could be done. Although, he did write a perscription for Neurontin.


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G. Meyer
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Jan-19-04, 12:18 PM (CST)
 
81. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Dr. Baxter,

My wife recently had a root canal. She now experiences pain while speaking and finds the pain traveling to the ear. She now tends to lisp which she never did before. The endodontist has not clue and put her on medication for infection. It appears like nerve damage to me, but I am worried how extensive this is.

Would I need to see a specialist and if so what type of doctor? Is the pain just a nerve that has been hit by a needle and will heal itself.

Need help and information. Please contact me by the name above.

Thank you.

kentrainer@aol.com


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Teresa Jones
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Jan-23-04, 07:11 PM (CST)
 
82. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   I am experiencing nerve damage from an injection of Septocaine in July 2003. I have been in great agony ever since. I became so weakened from the terrible tastes which affected my eating habits that I was bed ridden for over a month. I have not been referred to an oral surgeon, but to a nerologist. I will be filing a lawsuit because I feel like my life has been ruined. Until today I had no idea that there were so many others with the same symptoms. All the medical people have been acting like they never heard anything like this. It was because of a lawyer telling me about product liability that made me examine the anaesthesia. And now I find that I am not an isolated case. There are a lot of us and we are all reacting adversely to Septocaine.


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Teresa Jones
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Jan-24-04, 07:01 PM (CST)
 
83. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   I plan to file a product liability case against the makers of Septocaine. I have been suffering for 6 months and it took a consultation with an attorney before I found out that the toxicity of Septocaine may be causing my problems.

I spent the first two months in blinding pain. The pain was greater than any pain I have ever experienced. Not gangrene, child birth or kidney stones compared to this. I could not think and I got no help from the medical profession at all.

The pain has been complicated by the most horrible tastes in my mouth. After about 3 months I found that I could reduce the pain by not tasting anything. I began to eat once a day only. That gave me the first relief. I carefully reintroduced food and discovered that sugar caused great pain. After I eat I am in more pain and I have to put up with the terrible toxic tasted.

Finally, a couple of weeks ago I had to see a dermatolgist for my lips which were becoming white and were very dry and painful. Now I am using cortisone for the swelling and to get rid of the white which looks like scar tissue. My tongue is swollen and very painful.

I have been very miserable and the focus of my life is completly altered. It has been very difficult to think about anything else. I keep praying that some day this will end and I will get my life back.


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bp
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Jan-25-04, 12:16 PM (CST)
 
84. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Contact me 817-467-2313 Barb


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Tammy
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Apr-10-04, 12:45 PM (CST)
 
134. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Hi. Teresa please contact me at lullabymydear@aol.com

Thanks


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l. Fizer
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Feb-06-04, 11:14 AM (CST)
 
85. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   I was injured during a root canal about 3 months ago, my dentist has not referred me to anyone he just says wait and see. Is this the correct thing to do?


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Dr. B
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Feb-06-04, 03:32 PM (CST)
 
86. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   What kind of injury do you have? Is your dentist a GP?


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elizabeth
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Feb-14-04, 02:13 PM (CST)
 
87. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Dr.B, You are familiar with my case, I am using another name than the one you know me by. I have a case against a dentist, you were the Expert Witness that helped me out.
It was rumored that the dentist in question was shooting drugs during his "practicing". He spent time in drug rehab and is now back to work. I have seen you advise people to do a search for any disapline actions on the doctor. Since my attorney thinks this will not be admissable information during court because it is his private medical I am wondering if that is true? Can I find out if this can be brought up. Who would I contact?
Thanks much, you are great and I appreciate your help. (CEPesarik)
aka Elizabeth


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Dr. B
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Feb-14-04, 03:14 PM (CST)
 
88. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #87
 
   Medical issues may not be disclosable but in some cases the fact that a dentist has been disciplined or on probation is admissable. In other words the jury may be able to know that he has had problems but possibly not know what they were. The state department of education and regulation has information. Also, if a doc has been sued, this is usually admissable.


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James
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Feb-15-04, 10:04 PM (CST)
 
89. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #88
 
   Help!
I had root canal 9 days ago and last night my bottom lip and chin became very numb. It sounds like everyone else suffered with symptoms immediately. Anyone know why it would take 9 days to occur??
Could it just be an infection that set in?? I hope so, but doubt it because I felt that sharp pain when injected and I felt a strange burning sensation in my tongue at that time too. I still cant believe this has happened. I signed a consent form prior, but didnt read it. I was 2 pages of fine print, give me a break. Also, how much B-12 is everyone taking daily?
Thanks
James


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phyllis zelman
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Feb-15-04, 10:31 PM (CST)
 
90. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   If you read my profile my dentist broke off a post and couldnt get it out he infaribly pushed it up almost to my sinus cavity... I have a numb tongue which sometimes travels to my lips.. it also burns or has a burning sensation he never referred me to another dentist and to cover himself he never submitted for payment of this work.. please read my profile letter


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Dr. B
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Feb-16-04, 08:01 AM (CST)
 
91. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #90
 
   The upper injection can no way cause a numb tongue. Were you having different procedures done?


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James
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Feb-16-04, 10:09 AM (CST)
 
92. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #91
 
   Dr. B.
I am the guy who developed the numb lip and chin 9 DAYS after the root canal procedure. Havent been able to talk to my endodontist yet, he is off today and was paged to call me. Do you think an infection could have developed and caused pressure on the nerve to get the numbness 9 days later? Have you ever heard of numbness happening so long after the procedure? Could my permanent crown be too tight? Also, how much vitamin b-12 should I take daily?
Thanks so much!

James


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Kiki
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Feb-16-04, 12:38 PM (CST)
 
94. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #92
 
   Hi James,

I am very sorry to hear about your injury. I think it is very important to see an OS as soon as possible.

As far as I know you can take 1000mg B12 each day. You have to take the methylcobalamine (and not the other one, i don't know the name of it).

Good luck,

Kiki


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Douglas
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Feb-16-04, 12:59 PM (CST)
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95. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #92
 
   James:

My numbness came about 20 days after the wisdom tooth extraction. It was caused by an infection in my jaw. The infection is gone now, as is the pain, but I'm still totally numb in teeth, gum, chin, and lip on that bottom side. My OS feels that there is still some leftover imflammation, and once that subsides the numbness will disappear. We'll see.

By the way, I read two other posts somewhere on this website where folks also went numb about three weeks after oral surgery.

Good luck.


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James
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Feb-16-04, 05:50 PM (CST)
 
97. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #95
 
   Thanks Doug and Kiki for your responses -

I spoke with my endodontist today and he thinks it is an infection since it took 9 days for numbness to start. Sounds like your wisdom tooth extraction experience. I just started an antibiotic, Clindamycin, today and I will see how that goes. The doctor thinks that the infection is putting pressure on the nerve causing the numbness. He doesnt think he stabbed the nerve with the injection because all was OK for 9 days. I hope he is correct. Doug, how long has your numbness lasted so far?
Kiki, thanks for the B-12 info, I will start taking it today as well. It cant hurt and it may help. I have B-12 (as cyanocobalamin) lying around the house. I better get the variety you mentioned, this must be the other stuff.

Thanks

James


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Douglas
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Feb-16-04, 07:22 PM (CST)
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99. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #97
 
   James:

I have been numb for 55 days. I don't believe I've regained any feeling, yet.

Also, my OS also put me on clindamycin and it knocked out the infection in three weeks. Unfortunately, he had me on ampicilin the first month and it was totally ineffective, and the pain was terrible.


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James
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Feb-16-04, 09:24 PM (CST)
 
100. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #99
 
   Doug -

Wow, 55 days. Sorry to hear that. Is it totally numb or partial? My lip and chin are partially numb and they are tingling at times, like they are trying to recover. This is similar to the normal feeling one would get when novacaine is wearing off after a successful dental experience. So, I will take the antibiotics for 9 days. It sounds like your antibiotics removed the pain but not the numbness. Maybe you had your nerve "whacked" and an infection together. So, I dont have any pain at all, but the endodontist thinks the infection is causing the numbness by pressing on or pinching the nerve. Were you told that the Clindamycin would resolve BOTH the pain and numbness? Maybe your pain was from the infection growing and getting pretty serious. I may be lucky to have saved myself the pain, IF this antibiotic works for me. I am glad I found this site less than 24 hours after the numbness started. Reading everyones experiences here got me on the phone complaining to the doc. If the antibiotics dont work, sounds like I will be waiting this out for a few months like everyone else. What a pain in the ass.
Good Luck.
TTYL
James


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Douglas
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Feb-17-04, 06:45 AM (CST)
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102. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #100
 
   James:

The clindamycin was prescribed to knock out the jaw infection, which was getting severe. It was just four days ago that the OS officially declared my infection gone and no sign of osteomyelitis, our greatest fear. Because I was infected for nearly two months, we were focusing on cleaning that up rather than the numbness issue.

As for the numbness, which likewise feels like I'm still on novacaine, we're just taking a "wait and see" stance. Hopefully the last of the imflamation will subside and the feeling will come back.


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Dr. B
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Feb-16-04, 10:03 PM (CST)
 
101. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #92
 
   Doubt the crown is to blame. don't know why this is happening, see him ASAP.


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James
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Feb-17-04, 07:23 PM (CST)
 
103. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #101
 
   Thanks Dr. B -

Yes, I'd say you are right about the crown. I know that nerve is being compromised in some way. I guess it must be an infection, and since I have no pain, maybe I am catching it early. Others who posted with infection experiences talked about lots of pain. If the infection is right where the old tooth nerve used to be, would that explain not feeling any pain? It was a deep nerve, back molar, maybe very close to the IAN.
Thanks
James


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zackpat
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Feb-16-04, 10:29 AM (CST)
 
93. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I had some minor gum surgery done about 1 month ago and was left with numbness, and a constant feeling that I burnt my tongue and bit my tongue at the same time. Nothing seems to give me any relief. I contacted my dentist a couple of days following my procedure to let him know that my tongue, gums etc were still numb and painful. He said that injections can sometimes cause this reaction and that it could take several months for these symptoms to settle down. I hung the phone up in disbelief wondering how I was going to deal with this for several months. I went to see my dentist later that week for suture removal. He told me several times how sorry he was but after poking around in my mouth a little he said he felt pretty confident that my symptoms would resolve in time. However, he never recommended seeing an oral surgeon or any other treatment alternatives for that matter. Last week I decided to see my primary care physician to see if there was anything that he could offer. He started me on Neurontin but it is too soon to say if this will offer me any help. The past three weeks have been pure hell. The pain is disrupting my sleep making my workday very hard to face.

I really don't want to investigate legal avenues --- I just want to be myself again.

Pat B


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Dr. B
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Feb-16-04, 03:02 PM (CST)
 
96. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #93
 
   Find an oral surgeon who does nerve repairs and get an evaluation ASAP.


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reesatay
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Feb-16-04, 06:08 PM (CST)
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98. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #93
 
   LAST EDITED ON Feb-16-04 AT 06:42 PM (CST)
 
Pat,

Sorry you are hurting, but glad you found this site. It is a great support for me. I understand the hell you feel. Give the medication time to work, but you may need other things to help you until then. Let your doctor know you are not sleeping. In the beginning I needed help to sleep. I also needed pain medication until the Neurontin kicked in.

I was very devastated after my injury. It hit me hard. The first days/months are the worse part, but I have learned to cope better now. I believe you will too. The most important thing I found to help me get back to myself was to take an active role in my recovery. You are early in your recovery, but you are already doing this by going to your doctor on your own. I also found that taking medications helped me dramatically. This site is what got me started in the right directions. Again, Thanks Ross.

I know what you mean when you said you just want to be yourself again. I felt as if I had lost a part of myself and grieved that loss for a long time. I felt so very lost, helpless and out of control the first few months after my injury, but with each thing I did to help myself I found a piece of me again. I'm not 100% back yet, but I will not give up on that day. Don't you either. I believe you will get strong again and find what you are looking for.

You are early on in your recovery and every day can feel like a life time, but remember it is just one more day closer to the day you recover. Keep track of the sensation and locations so you can see the suttle healing that you might over look otherwise. It is a slow process and yes... sometimes painful.

For injection injuries most heal within the first few months and by the 1 year mark over 85% have healed.

Hang in there and keep posting.

"T"


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Dr. B
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Feb-21-04, 11:21 AM (CST)
 
105. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #104
 
   In order for there to be a suit, there must be negligence. How did your MD think trauma occured? It is very rare for an MD to say something like this and frankly they would not be qualified to make that diagnosis in court. Did you ever have the tooth checked by an endodontist? You may need a root canal which could solve your problems.


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Martha
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Feb-23-04, 12:53 PM (CST)
 
107. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #105
 
   I was sent to an endontist who could find nothing wrong with the crowned tooth. My dentist then referred me to an oral surgeon who pulled the crowned tooth,hoping that this would alleviate the pain. The pain continued and I was referred to a neurologist. The neurologist confirmed that I had trigeminal neuropathy. I also had a consultation with a neurosurgeon who stated that I had a left trigeminal neuropathy confined to a small zone of pathology in the left upper molar area.I am taking 3600 mgs. of Neurontin and 40 mgs. of Baclofen daily so I can tolerate the pain.


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Dr. B
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Feb-23-04, 04:31 PM (CST)
 
108. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #107
 
   My question though, is how did the injury occur? Unless you can prove that an injury is caused by a negligent act, there can be no lawsuit.


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elizabeth
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Mar-26-04, 03:52 PM (CST)
 
126. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #108
 
   When we find ourselves in pain for months and years, how does anyone prove the injury to be caused by a negligent act? For instance, my dentist may not have done the injury on purpose but he certainly dismissed my pleas for help and attempts to get him to realize I was experiencing nerve damage. He wanted me to " wait it out", perhaps until I either died (suicide, etc) or past the statute of limitatioins. He was having his own drug problem and wanted noone looking his way. I maintain that if I my problem would have been addressed early, I would not be experiencing this daily nightmare of pain, fatigue and all that goes along with this horrible
trigemainal neuropathic pain.


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Dr. B
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Mar-26-04, 06:05 PM (CST)
 
127. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #126
 
   Failure to refer for corrective treatment is malpractice but if the statute has run out you have no legal recourse.


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gajoe
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Sep-14-04, 02:18 PM (CST)
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189. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #127
 
   Hi DR B.

I recently incurred a nerve injury due to an injection (have the whole numb tongue syndrome, feels like it's been burned, shooting pain when the injection was given, etc.) but thankfully I do not have much pain. At this point is just a major annoyance. And it's pretty much destroyed my tastebuds. This happened 5 weeks ago and I just came back from the dentist today and he said to continue to wait because this can take up to 8 weeks or more to heal and that generally around the 6th week I should start to feel a tingling sensation and the numbness should reduce. I was just wondering, what is the statue of limitations? When should I take matters into my own hands and go see an Oral Surgeon? I don't want to just sit back while the days go by. I'm terrified that this is going to become a permanent thing even though my dentist continues to tell me that this is rarely (if ever) a permanent thing, especially when caused by an injection.

Thanks,
Joe


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Debbie
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Mar-05-04, 11:11 PM (CST)
 
109. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I underwent an apicoectomy on 3/31/03 and have never regained full sensation in my lip & jaw area. The dentist did not refer me to an oral surgeon and I was not informed that this is a common result from the procedure. Afterward, I consulted an oral facial nerve specialist (only 12 in the nation) who wasn't promising that I'd ever regain full sensation.

I am a teacher, and the numbness affects my ability to read aloud sometimes, I often have the sensation that there is liquid running down my face, it feels so cold to me at times that I have difficulty forming words, and I suffer what I call "nerve confusion." When I am touched in one place I sometimes feel it elsewhere. I am able to discern touch going up vs. down, or left to right, but I cannot tell if the touch is dull or sharp, and I cannot tell if I have something on my face.

I ended up losing the tooth anyway (on the advice of the specialist), because of up & down movement of the tooth in the socket, which he believed could be continuing to irritate the nerve.

I have inquired all around the state, but have not found an attorney willing to handle the case, otherwise I'd probably persue it.


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Luwana Buckner
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Mar-06-04, 08:38 PM (CST)
 
111. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #109
 
   Hello Debbie, I also have many of the same symptoms you do, I would be happy to share some useful information with you. Please e-mail me @ luwanab@cox.net. I also found a terrific lawyer!


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Dr. B
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Mar-07-04, 09:29 AM (CST)
 
112. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #111
 
   Debbie, email me at Jcbax@aol.com. Give me your location and I can probably find you a lawyer.


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TJ65
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Mar-06-04, 07:12 PM (CST)
 
110. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I was not referred to an Oral Surgeon, should I go to one?
I would just really love to have some answers to my concerns. I ask and ask all I get is it will get better! Its been almost 3 weeks since I had the crown done and I still have the numbness, buring, and also pain. I cant eat warm foods cause it hurts, feels as if its being burnt even more when I do. I have pain the front of my tongue and under it as well. I cannot kiss my husband because that hurts as well. I just wish I knew what to do next? Is there anyway to fix it?

TJ


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Dr. B
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Mar-07-04, 09:32 AM (CST)
 
113. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #110
 
   Try to find an oral surgeon, but one who deals with nerve pain. This thread has become confusing and I do not know how your injury occured or where you are located. If you want, email me at Jcbax@aol.com as I know quite a few oral surgeons.


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Ed Simmons
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Mar-12-04, 10:17 AM (CST)
 
122. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #110
 
   Hi TJ,


I got your e-mail address from the Oral Nerve Injury website. I was injected with Septocaine directly into my tongue last September. To this day, I can only taste a little on the left underside of my tongue. My tongue is basically numb and constantly sore. My sense of smell is greatly diminished. I use to get a tingling sensation, but that is seldom now. For awhile I would get a taste like battery acid, but that is less frequent.

After calling my dentist several times (could only talk to office staff) I was always told it would go away in days or weeks. After I personally confronted my dentist face to face to find out what I could do, he said the drug symptoms would go away. When I reminded him that he injected my tongue directly and not my jaw he yelled at me and said he does thousands of injections and mistakes happen. Needless to say I'm still left in a quandry. My "former" dentist refuses to offer any guidance. I have just contacted an attourney. I live in Florida. Apparently this is pretty widespread. Please keep me informed if any action is being taken. My attourney could be of some help.

Sincerely,
Edward L. Simmons
561-704-6611


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TJH65
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Apr-13-04, 08:17 AM (CST)
 
135. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #122
 
   I am going on two months now and my Dentist has stopped calling to check on me. I have seen 3 Oral Surg Two of which I paid for out of pocket due to insurance limits. Only one of the Oral Surg was very honest with me and said those dreaded words there is a small chance it might never go away. What do you do now?

I have to order foods when I am out to eat that I really dont want because I can eat them easily, and they are not to warm becuase that hurts to badly. It's hard to swallow I guess since one side is numb it's not pushing food back as well. It's been two months and still have not been able to kiss my husband!

I was never informed this could happen to me, I never signed any form, it was a cavity that he thought would be better off crowned??

Do we really just live this way for the rest of our lives???
Something is not right here and something needs to be done!

I hope you heal 100%
But I am about to give up on my healing...


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loisg
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Mar-09-04, 04:21 PM (CST)
 
114. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   my lawyer sent me a letter the other day that said my Expert Epinion was: "my condition was enigmatic,it is mysterious as it is unfortunate." I have been in pain since march of 2002. everyday. this has been a terriable thing to happen to someone. my lawyer has had this case for a long time. my time is up for malpratice. i am dealing with so much i just don't want to hurt. i worry about my insurance i am only 41. if you have some input i would thankyou for it. lois


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Dr. B
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Mar-09-04, 06:13 PM (CST)
 
115. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #114
 
   Where are you? Email me at Jcbax@aol.com with your story. It should not have taken your attorney so long to get an opinion!


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Rita
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Mar-11-04, 08:23 AM (CST)
 
116. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Hi:

I am glad I found this forum, and I have read almost all of it. I am posting because Ross wrote a couple of times that if let doctors "calm" us sometimes it can be too late to do anything about the problem. I am writing about a numbness in the lower right side of my chin and lips as a result of some part of a bone graft surgery with IV sedation. I am writing here, because it is a recent topic, not because I am thinking of suing, and hope somebody is out there

Right now, the problem is relatively small, my face is not paralyzed, neither do I chew on my tongue when I eat. I have had extensive dental work done in the past (have 3 implants, had a bone graft to get them placed, a crown lengthening to fit the supererupted tooth under the implant sites to the implants etc.) and never had any problem.

I too went into my surgery with some premonition yesterday, too. I am going to the dental school of a large university, have done this in the past, have always been treated by students (for endo- prostho- and periodontics graduate students, naturally) and never had a problem. This time I did not trust the periodontist student (I felt she wasn't straight with me, she eluded my questions e.g. how many times have you done this in the past? Answer: my supervisor has extensive experience. At another occasion, I wanted her to stop what she was doing, but she just went on until I grabbed her arm), but I believed in supervision.

The surgery started at 9 a.m. and ended at noon. I asked the supervising professor to rate on a scale of 1-10 how it went, and he said it was an 8. I don't know whether this referred to the success of the procedure because he told my husband that everything went fine, and when he asked whether they went near the nerve, he said they didn't have to. The question came up because I went in with the plan that they would take the bone out of my chin, because in the lower jaw it was too close to call. The supervising prof, however, said that yesterday morning that not under his supervision, with the small chin that I have, he wouldn't agree to this. He suggested going the same route as with the previous bone graft harvesting, only on the other side.

By the way, the supervising prof had been straightforward from the getgo, didn't blink when I asked how many times patients suffered nerve damage under his direction (said it never happened, but I really mostly cared about signs of evasion After the surgery he said they gave me longlasting local injections (I was out of it when this happened, I should have asked them to give the injections to me when I was with it so I would be numb for quite a while.

It is now almost twenty-four hours later (after the previous bone graft my face was back to normal that evening), and I have been tracking the numbness since last evening. I was pricking my face with a nutpick (on the inside only and felt the numbness receding until it stopped at about an inch to the right from the middle of my mouth. In the course of the evening I noticed that the numb area I had (chin and lips) really went sideways, not straight down, from the middle of my lips (not numb under the middle) to past the end of my lips of the right (quite a bit of numbness not just under the lip but further to the right as well). What made me glad, however, that during the evening all sensation returned to my tongue.

It's now morning and nothing changed. I am going to call both the student and the professor, who will tell me to wait. I am risking something by waiting? Is there something that can be done right now and I will not have the opportunity for later? Ross, especially, if you have any ideas...

I was glad to have read from so many people and happy to have told my story so far. I realize that this may not be serious, but it is different from the normal state of my mouth and concerns me. My smile is lopsided, this is the only thing that can be seen on the outside, otherwise it is just a weird feeling, pricking and feeling nothing. Not painful, though, at least not yet. Is pain a sign of healing? I have read somebody who had pain and numbness, and when the pain went away and the numbness remained, he though he was healing. Anyway, I have just written a novel, time to stop


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Rita
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Mar-11-04, 08:34 AM (CST)
 
117. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #116
 
   that business with the nutpick, on the outside, of course Sorry about the other mistakes and missing words, too, hope the message is still clear.


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Rita
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Mar-11-04, 09:18 AM (CST)
 
118. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #117
 
   So, I called talked to the student who asked the prof, who thinks this is still from the trauma of the surgery and the swelling (I hardly have any swelling, with the last bone graft I was barely able to open my eyes, but nothing was numb).

The student also explained that there was no way that hitting either the lingual or the interior alveolar nerve (which she reassured me she did not hit) would produce the symptoms I have. She would expect numbness closer to the site where they were, not "miles away" such as in the chin or lips (when I say student, she is already a DDS, getting a certificate in Perio).

She said there was nothing "external" to take such as the vitamins people talked about on this site. Those of you who take it what do you think vitamin B12 does to the nerve? I also read somebody posting favorably about aerobic exercise, but I cannot do any of that so soon after the surgery, I don't think.

I don't understand, and of course I agreed to wait. The sutures will come out late next week.


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reesatay
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Mar-11-04, 12:37 PM (CST)
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119. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #118
 
   LAST EDITED ON Mar-11-04 AT 12:39 PM (CST)
 
Rita,

Sorry to read about your concerns and numbness. Tell your dentist to stop dismissing your symptoms as not possible. What she expects and what has happened is not what is. So, then what is it doc? That is the crap I and many other people on this site went through when we were injured.

Hopefully, your dentist can be educated because of your case. Tell you dentist that sometimes nerve trauma/injury doesn't do what is expected. Tell her to listen to her patients and not assume something is only one way.

I have an injectional injury that caused a nerve injury to both my IAN/LN and my dentist was telling me that my surgery shouldn't be causing me my symptoms. He was uninformed.

It could be as the professor said that the swelling is pressing on the nerves. You have had alot of improvement since your surgery and because of this you probable will recover completely. It isn't incorrect information to wait awhile to see what happens, but usually if you don't get better withing a few weeks it is time to see a nerve specialist.

Please post back with how you are doing.

"T"


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Rita
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Mar-11-04, 02:34 PM (CST)
 
120. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #119
 
   Reesatay, thanks for your comments. I have had a good experience with my doctors since I last posted. They called again and asked whether I could feel my gum between the lips and the teeth, and I said no (although I can feel the gum on the other side of the teeth). They went back to my x-ray and went over my case again, and now they believe that they may have hit the mental nerve (part of the IAN, I believe). The prof is certain, however, that they did not sever it, so he expects that I will have a tingling sensation very soon. If that sensation does not return, they will want to see me again and track the progress of the numbness and evaluate it.

I thought this was very professional and made me less distrustful of my student as well. Naturally, I hope that the nerve will recover (I will not have the implants in until I know what this is and whether it has a chance of fully recovering - I know that it is months in the future yet, but I have read people on this board suffering longer from their injury) but right now I feel better that I know more about it and that it is something that can be identified.

Thanks again


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reesatay
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Mar-11-04, 05:02 PM (CST)
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121. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #120
 
   Rita,

I'm happy that your doctors called back and expressed concern over your care. Hopefully you will feel this tingling soon and recover 100%. When a nerve heals you may feel more then just tingling so be ready to feel many different sensations. Read other postings and you can find what others have experienced. Start your own post so it will be easier for others to find your story. Let us know how you do in the next few days.

Tingling
Burning
Shooting
Stabbing
Cold sensation like water running down your chin
Squeezing
Pressure
etc

Good luck

Teresa


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Switzer
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Mar-24-04, 11:04 PM (CST)
 
123. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Hi!
Five months ago I had a root canal done(3rd molar). The dentist was working on me and I had a shocking, burning pain go across my face to my ear. Four hours later I was in so much pain I could not stand it. Pain killer and sleeping pills did not work. The feeling never came back on the right side of my tounge. I went to another dentist a month after that because the root canal was not completed yet and my dentist couldn't get me in. She referred me to a oral surgen. I found that I also have numbness on the right side of my face. The oral surgen is unaware how the numbness on my face could have happen from the root canal. Do you have any ideas. I have sharp pains, with a tingle sencation, and it feels like my lower lip is twitching. My tounge has always had a coating on it. It hurt after I eat ice cream, something extremley cold. It also burns when I brush my teeth. Any information for me


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Dr. B
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Mar-25-04, 07:36 AM (CST)
 
124. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #123
 
   Email me with the following info:
When did you get the pain, suring the injection or the root canal itself? Did the dentist protect your tooth with a rubber mask like device?
Where are you located?


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Dr. B
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Mar-25-04, 07:37 AM (CST)
 
125. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #124
 
   Sorry, email is Jcbax@aol.com


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TJH65
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Apr-13-04, 08:24 AM (CST)
 
137. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #124
 
   What difference would the rubber mask make??
I have seen this brought up before on this site. My Dentist did the crown but no rubber mask.


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Dr. B
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Mar-29-04, 07:37 AM (CST)
 
129. "RE: Can't find Theresa's post"
In response to message #0
 
   The heading shows a post by Theresa on March 28, but I cannot find it.
Repost?


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Lauren
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Apr-05-04, 09:19 AM (CST)
 
130. "what if we werent informed"
In response to message #129
 
   "I agree that a doctor is not negligent for causing nerve dmaage, as long as the dentist has informed the patient of the risks specifically related to nerve damage."

So what if we were never informed? Cause my dentist never told me that could happen and when it did happen, he played dumb and said he'd heard of it in dental school and also assured me that it would go away. When it never went away, he didnt seem to give a damn, he just kept trying to get my fiance in there so he could work on his teeth. Since then, myself, my fiance, my brother, and my dad have dropped him for his horrible dentistry. He shouldnt even be able to practice with this carelessness.


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Dr. B
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Apr-05-04, 02:06 PM (CST)
 
131. "RE: what if we werent informed"
In response to message #130
 
   There is no informed consent for malpractice. So, you can't consent to lingual nerve damage because it is negligent to cause it.


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elizabeth
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Apr-10-04, 11:24 AM (CST)
 
133. "RE: what if we werent informed"
In response to message #131
 
   This is good. Not only was I not warned of the chance of nerve damage, when I told the dentist that I thought it felt like nerve damage I was told:"You don't have any nerves in there, I took them all out". On other occasions when I would mention nerve damage I was also told, "If any nerves were hit with the needle you would not feel it and you wouldn't have any pain, it would have healed itself right away." It's over four years later and indeed I have nerve damage. Have been to two four different nuerosurgeons and the only options I have been given is the electrode route. I am now headed for the Mayo Clinic where they will do the thin slice MRI and an EMG-
Wish me luck, not only with my pain but with my lawsuit as well.


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TJH65
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Apr-13-04, 08:20 AM (CST)
 
136. "RE: what if we werent informed"
In response to message #133
 
   I was not informed either, nor did I sign any release forms.
I had no idea this could ever happen while getting a crown, This same dentist has givin me several crowns I have more crowns then I have reg teeth!

Let me know how it goes wishing you the best of luck!


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de
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Apr-15-04, 09:58 PM (CST)
 
139. "RE: what if we werent informed"
In response to message #131
 
   Dr. B.
Can you tell me if the use of Septocaine as nerve block would be contraindicated in patients with hypercoagulation, trigeminal nerve damage and optic neuritis with Polyneuropathy. Many thanks.


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Dr. B
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Apr-16-04, 06:51 AM (CST)
 
140. "RE: what if we werent informed"
In response to message #139
 
   In my opinion, yes, but then I don't use the stuff at all.


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de
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Apr-16-04, 08:22 AM (CST)
 
141. "RE: what if we werent informed"
In response to message #140
 
   Dr. B. Many thanks. Aside from causing numbness in back of one side of the tongue and muscle pain in tongue, this has caused dry eye and dry mouth and lips and facial numbness. This is ongoing still several weeks after injection. Do you have any idea what type specialists I see for further evaluation. The dentist just said this happens but offered no further information. Thank you in advance for any information you can share. I was not told that they were using the Septocaine as opposed to what they typically use or that it contained Epinephrine at the time of the injection. Thank you for any further information you can provide.


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griffin_1
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Apr-13-04, 08:09 PM (CST)
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138. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I've been injured on 3-1-04 from a injection tha hit my lingual nerve.I have been sent to a Oral Surgeon after 3 weeks of jaw pain and numb tongue / loss of taste. He has referred me to a Oral/Nuero.Surgeon. The appt. is for June of 2004. My question is how many cases are settle out of court and what were the pay offs for the damage. Please contact me via e-mail at gsjones21@yahoo.com


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Will
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Apr-21-04, 06:36 PM (CST)
 
143. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Hi Dr. Baxter,

I am responding to your question originally posed in your post 11/05/2002. I was referred to a maxo-facial surgeon for extraction of 4 wisdom teeth (although only 1 was impacted). The surgery occured on Nov. 13th 2003. The following day I had no sensation in the right side of my tongue and lower right quadrant of my mouth. I called the surgeon who advised me this was normal and was the anathesia lingering.

The sensation never returned. For nearly 10 days I could not articulate nor pronouce properly anything and had to modify my work schedule. I had 2 more follow ups with this doctor, the last occurring 4 weeks ago. During this last visit, I advised him that I am still experiencing a loss of sensation, trouble articulating, occassional burning, electrical shocks and altered taste. He, in a manner very intimidating, told me the following " I am not saying your making this up, but the lingual nerve is a sensory nerve, not a motor nerve. I am confident I did not bisect the nerve, however the needle may have touched it".

His manner was very terse and short. He ended the meeting stating he could not tell me when or if I would regain sensation.

It has been nearly 6 months since my surgery. I never considered filing a suit until my surgeon went on the defensive during our last meeting. Being 26 years old, I am growing concerned at the prospect of having to deal with perpetually biting my tongue, burning myself and nearly choking on everything I eat not to mention the loss of proper articulation for the rest of my life.

As far as signing a consent form, I may have, I honestly can not remember. I do know I was never made aware verbally of any risks. Not signing a consent, I would presume would significantly deter any lawyer from moving ahead with litigation.

Being an expert in this field do you have thoughts on the prospect of relief from these symptoms over the long term? Also, do you think a lawsuit is justified in this situation?

Any information you provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Will


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Dr. B
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Apr-21-04, 09:01 PM (CST)
 
144. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #143
 
   Damaging the lingaul nerve is considered negligent if it is done during surgery. Your OS is also negligent in not referring you for a nerve repair. Contact me at Jcbax@aol.com and let me know where you are. There still may be time to refer you for a nerve repair, but ideally this should have been done after 2 months.


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erin
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Apr-28-04, 04:46 PM (CST)
 
147. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #144
 
   Dr B - is this a definite? If so why is damaging lingual the nerve during an oral surgery negligence? I had damage to the lingual/trigeminal nerves on both sides it's been well over a year now. I think that the hypoglossal nerve was damaged as well because I have trouble moving my tongue. I still can't determine the texture of foods, I have limited taste, and freezer burn-like pain and have since developed severe chronic facial pain on the side with the most numbness. What is the difference between hitting any of these nerves are they all connected or is it different to hit the trigeminal nerve? I was diagnosed with trigeminal nerve injury by an expert. I tried to get a lawyer to take my case but was unsuccessful (I've posted before) The truth is I really don't know if the doctor was negligent (even though that's my gut feeling)even though I do know he caused the damage. What constitutes negligence in this situation? Would a legal investigation reveal things I am unaware of? I still can't get a diagnosis for this unbearable facial pain, it has not stopped for over a year, I can hardly remember life without it, it seems like a distant dream. I never realized how much I had before I lost it all. Just to be out of pain again would feel like a dream come true. I fantasize about it every day. Also can anyone tell me if it's possible for the nerves in other areas like the sinus or jaw being damaged or pinched to cause this? I seem to have so many symptoms that the doctors can't tell what is going on. But it is all confined to that side. I also have a deviated septum on that side and narrowed sinus passages. I don't know if it's the nerve or the sinuses causing the problems or if the os damaged my sinus or a nerve in my sinus because the tooth was perched on the edge of it. How can I find out?


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Brent
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Apr-26-04, 07:52 AM (CST)
 
145. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
  
DEAR DOCTOR BRAXTON
I HAVE A QUESTION,MY WIFE WAS HAVING A TOOTH SHAVED DOWN WHEN THE DOCTOR CUT HER TONGUE WITH THE DRILL, SEVERAL STITCHES WHERE NEEDED TO CLOSE THE GASH. AS A REASULT SHE AS A LARGE LUMP UNDER HER TONGUE AND FINDS HERSELF DRULLING UNCONTROLABLEY. SHE ALSO HAS PAIN WHEN SHE EXSTENDS HER TONGUE. ANY SUGUESTIONS WOULD BE HELPFUL.

THANK YOU,
BRENT D


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Dr. B
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Apr-28-04, 04:20 PM (CST)
 
146. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #145
 
   Have her see an oral surgeon for an evaluation.


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STALEY DDS JD
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May-02-04, 08:32 PM (CST)
 
148. "Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve injury"
In response to message #146
 
   1.) Injury is negligent
2.) Consent is not an issue


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erin
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May-03-04, 05:56 PM (CST)
 
149. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #148
 
   much more complicated than that - there are many types of injuries there are surgical injuries, injectional injuries, multiple nerve injuries, combinations of injectional and surgical, there is the placement of the nerve in comparison to general anatomy, there is proving the nerve is injured which can be impossible, and there is the routine inherent risk - you may not be able to consent to negligent but in dental surgery there is apparently no such thing as a negligent injury - because there's always an inherent risk. Therefore there is supposedly never malpractice. Then there is the first we must rule out any other possible cause of your nerve problem " (how do we prove it's from the surgery) " issue. Then there is the small matter of connecting pain to the injury, also an impossible feat, no doctor wants ro be involved with a neuralgia diagnosis. It's really not cut and dry, half your face could be deformed and it was "your nerve was in an unusual position" and you have no way to disprove that!!!!!


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STALEY DDS JD
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May-03-04, 06:14 PM (CST)
 
151. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #149
 
   You have thrown out alot of round about excuses, but none are valid. I have been involved with L/N litigation for many years, as an expert witness and as a lawyer litigating these cases. Pure and simple, it is a mishap with a dental instrument that is under the control of the dentist (or should be !!!) that causes an injury to the nerve that is NEVER encountered (even with the anatomy factor) if the surgery is performed correctly.


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Brent Adams
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Feb-21-05, 06:12 AM (CST)
 
218. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #151
 
   I am a plaintiff's lawyer in need of an expert witness on this issue.

If you are interested in helping with this issue, please call me at (910) 892-8177.


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Staley DDS JD
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May-03-04, 06:08 PM (CST)
 
150. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #148
 
   I continue to read about these lingual nerve injuries....2 comments:

1.) The lingual nerve is not in the field of surgery and if it is severely injured, it is the result of a negligently performed surgery. In all probability (legal standard), it was a mishap with the drill while removing bone or cutting the tooth into pieces. If the surgery is performed diligently, the L/N will not be encountered.

2.) Consent is not an issue. You cannot consent to allow surgery to be negligently performed. L/N injury is a risk of surgery, but that it not the issue. It is also a risk that the wrong tooth could be removed, but that does not excuse it. The point is that injury to the L/N IS AVOIDABLE when the surgery is properly performed. The defense is that the needle did it and that is unavoidable. However, it can be logically shown and is conceded, that when the injury occurs during a third molar surgery, it was the surgery that injured the L/N and not the needle.

I am a lawyer and and oral surgeon. Contact me.....
rwstaleyjr@yahoo.com OR 503-399-4743


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Dr. B
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May-03-04, 06:14 PM (CST)
 
152. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #150
 
   I agree with Dr. Staley. I think he and I can both tell you of positive outcomes of suits in these cases.


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visitor
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May-26-04, 03:17 PM (CST)
 
161. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #152
 
   I just served on a jury for a lawsuit - We decided for the plaintiff. The final question was not malpractice on the part of the endodontist.
It was "Did the defendant deviate from accepted dental procedure
while giving a mantibular block injection" which resulted in
paresthesis to the patient. Hope this helps anyone that wants
to pursue a lawsuit.


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Reesatay
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May-26-04, 09:58 PM (CST)
 
162. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #161
 
   Visitor,

What is consisdered a deviation from accepted dental procedure while giving a mandibular block injection?

"T"


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Dr. B
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May-27-04, 07:01 AM (CST)
 
163. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #162
 
   T,
If a dentist injects and the patient shows that the nerve is hit, like really shows "abnormal" pain response, the dentist should stop and ask "did you feel a shock?" or something like an electric current.
If the patient says yes, the dentist should withdraw the needle and not just keep injecting. They then ask the patient if they want to continue and reinject from a different angle so that they are not depositing all of the fluid into a damaged nerve.

I still would be interested in Visitor's response. What did your jury consider negligent?
Dr. B


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visitor
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May-28-04, 02:00 PM (CST)
 
164. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #163
 
   The plaintiff stated that he indicated shock and great pain
and tearing and the dentist did not stop. The dentist testified that
there was nothing unusual in the patients reaction and that he may have moaned. His "expert" witness said it would have been inprudent
to withdraw the needle and reintroduce it as that would inject
bacteria into the gum and that sounded like a weak defense.
The dentist described in detail how and where he injects - the
defense "expert" said he was not using the correct landmarks in the
mouth in other words was not following a normal process.
Obviously he has given the same injection hundreds of times
with no consequence. So we can only think it was an accident -
carelessness, a bad aim , distraction - any number of things.
If he had withdrawn the needle - wasn't the damage already done?
There were a lot of questions that we couldn't ask - but the end
result was that the injury was caused by the dentist.


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Dr. B
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May-28-04, 02:15 PM (CST)
 
165. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #164
 
   That is a bunch of total BS about withdrawing and putting in bacteria as we are taught to use the same needle for multiple injections. We add more carpules of local but do not change needles with the same patient.

Regarding hitting the nerve and keeping on injecting, then you are putting the solution right into a damaged nerve, plus you are causing the patient excruciating pain. I am glad your jury found for the plaintiff.


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TJH65
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Jun-26-04, 09:11 PM (CST)
 
170. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #165
 
   So when I moaned as my nerve was being hit and my dentist didnt remove the needle, instead yelled at me to close my mouth 3 times and kept injecting he should have removed the needle? I was already numb at least 95 percent from the injections I had earlier and still felt the sudden pain in my jaw. After closing my mouth some the pain was not as bad but like I said was already numb and seemed to take him forever to finish this injection.

I wonder if it had been taken out if I would still have burning 4 and 1/2 months later or if it had been to a lesser degree?


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Dr. B
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Jun-27-04, 08:43 AM (CST)
 
171. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #170
 
   No way to tell 100% but your dentist behaved in an unprofessional and negligent fashion.


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ansley
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Jul-27-05, 08:16 AM (CST)
 
278. "RE: Negligence lawsuit and lingual nerve inj"
In response to message #148
 
   Dr. Staley,

I am an attorney in Florida with a client who suffered permanent injuries from Septocaine. I would like to speak with you concerning this matter. Please contact my office with your phone number. My toll free office number is 800-326-7709. I am out on maternity leave, but my Assistant, Debbie, will take and deliver a detailed message promptly.

Thank you,

Ansley Ellmyer, Esq.


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julie
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May-20-04, 04:46 PM (CST)
 
154. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
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   Hello. I had a root canal on #28 on May 10. Late on May 11, my tongue was still numb and was burning and I had no sense of taste as well as shooting pains. I called my endodontist and he said if I didn't feel better by the next week to call back. The following Monday, still no relief and even more severe symptoms, so I called and he saw me the next day. After examination and some pricking of my tongue, he was very concerned, knew it was a lingual nerve injury, stated he had never had this happen before and set me directly to a surgeon. After many very deep needle exams, he gave me a script for 600mg Motrin x 3or4 a day and a steroid series. I started the steroid series and my throat was tight so I called and he said that 10 days out, they probably wouldn't help so stop and continue with Motrin. My symptoms have gotten more..in respect that the pain in my tongue goes down my throat to about my adam's apple, I have a piercing pain in my ear and into my temple at times and even behind the ear at the base of the skull. I cannot swallow properly and it feels like the back of my tongue loads up with food when I eat and try to swallow, the burning and sharp spiking pains have not gotten less, I also have pain back where my wisdom teeth used to be as well as along the inside gumline on top and bottom halfway to the front of my mouth. I also feel very out of sorts. I am curious what the norm is feel some relief, if this is indeed going to heal itself. I realize it is slow going and am hoping for any improvement. I am also a realist and know, there is a time frame on everything and am curious if what I feel in 6 months is what to expect for recovery or is a year or more the norm?
The surgeon said that if I didn't see any improvement on my return in 2 weeks, he would suggest a neuro surgeon. This referring surgeon also took my insurance card and when I told the gal that this was from an injury from the referring dentist, she said I was still ultimately responsible for treatment. I didn't argue but it doesn't seem right to me. I asked him NOT to give me the big shot in the back and he insisted and as soon as it went in..I felt a sharp pain, lost feeling in my tongue and tasted blood. That was the last thing I really tasted. Now everything just hurts.
I had investigated all I could find on the net prior to going back to see anyone and played ignorant to it all and was pleased that they were concerned and were taking the correct steps from what I had read. I cannot afford to have neuro surgery on my dime. I have read that surgery isn't that effective with injection injuries as well. Any help, advice or correction of disinformation is greatly appreciated. Thanks so much for this site. There isn't alot out there about this type of thing.


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Dr. B
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May-21-04, 09:47 AM (CST)
 
155. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #154
 
   I am pretty sure that this was an injection injury, and the good news is most of them resolve. It sounds like you are getting good advice here, so follow up with the OS and if you have to see the neurosurgeon, see what options apply. If you ask the endodontist to pay for treatment, he may just do it.


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TJH65
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May-25-04, 06:20 AM (CST)
 
158. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #155
 
   Dr B

Should a dentist should look at your x-ray before injecting you to see where the LN is?

During my visit to the Micro Surg the assistant who took me back, not sure what his title is showed me my x-ray they had taken that day of my full head. He pointed out my lingual nerve and made the comment that how my dentist hit the nerve is beyond him because mine sits so low in my jaw, he said that there is no reason he should have been injecting it so low. If I can see the lingual nerve on an x-ray not being a dentist then I am sure my dentist could have seen it. One would think this would be normal practice to at least glance at x-ray and see where the general location of the nerve is??


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Dr. B
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May-25-04, 06:49 AM (CST)
 
159. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #158
 
   You cannot usually see the lingual nerve on an x-ray, you can see the IAN, so I am not sure what the Micro Surgeon was saying he could see.


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TJH65
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May-25-04, 05:13 PM (CST)
 
160. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #159
 
  
It was not the Dr who said he saw it on the x ray, it was the assistant who showed me what they said was my nerve that was hit. I did see what looked like a nerve running down the low side of my jaw line. Maybe he was a nurse or someone who really is not sure what they are talking about. I will ask the Doctor next month when I go back to see if he tells me thats my lingual nerve.

Thanks


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john
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Apr-25-05, 04:54 PM (CST)
 
249. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #155
 
   DR B five years ago I had four dental inplants put in on the right side of my mouth, The fourth inplant hit the nerve leaving me with numbness on the right side of the lip and chin. Could you tell me if the feeling will ever come back. Thanks for your help


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Linda to Julie
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Jun-24-04, 02:28 PM (CST)
 
169. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #154
 
   I just read your note about the insurance issue...and would like to add that I have sucessfully gotten my dental bills, endodontist bills, CT scan bills, hospital bills, internist bills, radiology bills, prosthedontist bills and now my neurology bills turned over to medical. I had to organize all of them, explain what happened and that no one could give me a diagnosis until recently and then my dentist wrote a letter saying that at my last dental exam my teeth were fine until I had the apicoectomies. Get ahold of your insurance agent and have he/she work with you on that! I'm in for over $9000 and no specific answers, yet.

Good luck!


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Tim Clancy
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May-25-04, 02:10 AM (CST)
 
157. "Nerve damage and loosing the sense of taste"
In response to message #0
 
   I had some dental work carried out by a student in a dental hospital, because they had problems numbing the tooth, it took three injections, the first two were on the outside of my jaw, the third was injected on the inside rear of my jaw.

The following twelve months I experience a numbness of my tongue, jaw and sensations of having my mouth full. It is now around three years later and whilst these sensations have improved, I have only just noticed that whilst I can feel things in my mouth when I am eating, I don`t have the sensation of taste and regardless of what I am eating, things all taste bland and without flavour.

Will my ability to taste food improve and could this be related to the nerve damage?

Any guidance or information that could be offered would be very much appreciated.
Kindest regards,
Tim


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harriet94
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Aug-08-04, 06:12 PM (CST)
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176. "RE: Nerve damage and loosing the sense of tas"
In response to message #157
 
   I had a tooth filled a year and a half ago and the dentist gave me an injection in the rear lower inside of my jaw. I remained numb for several days afterward. When I returned to his office, he said this was normal. The numbness of my lips went away in a week or so. However, my tongue stayed numb for weeks and months. I also noticed I had lost my sense of taste. I went to a renowned oral surgeon who informed me that the nerve for my taste had been severed with the injection needle. He also informed me that whereas they have a fairly good success rate at putting back together the lingual nerve, the success rate for the taste nerve (I can't remember the official name) is almost zero. He then went on to inform me that the sense of taste was "over-rated" and that much of it was a "mind-over-matter" thing. He also said that there are a few more taste buds at the very back of your throat, and that these would not have been affected by the severing of that nerve. This was not much consolation to me. He told me to be sure and watch what I eat and tell myself as I eat it, "I am eating pizza....pizza tastes like..." this way the mind is telling you what the food tastes like, and you will begin to believe you are tasting food again.

Linda


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S Campbell
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Jun-01-04, 03:36 PM (CST)
 
166. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   No law suit yet, but I just had an injury on 5/26/04--have burning, loss of sensation, numbness, and no taste to the left tongue.....my dentist is stalling. I'm suggesting therapies to include steroids....lots of similar stories on the web.


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Linda
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Jun-24-04, 02:21 PM (CST)
 
168. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I have considered a lawsuit, but I'm not sure I'm up for the fight. If I had an experienced medical, malpractice attorney and a witness such as Dr. B, I would sue the endodontist in Salt Lake in a minute.

I'm not getting specifics from the 8 doctors and specialists, but they are finally agreeing that it is, indeed, nerve damage. This board has been a help to me and the 3 other persons that I have found with similiar problems, and I am grateful!

The endodontist has completely ignored me, even after writing a harsh letter. Money was #1 with him, I am convinced. After making a specific appointment to "discuss" this problem with him and being brushed off with 3 sentences saying, "your teeth are fine"...and charging me another $89 for that 2 minute lip service, I was furious. His office manager is the one I'm mad at, too. I called several times to say, "But, it STILL hurts"...her response each time, after 3 months was, "you just need time to heal from the apicoectomies"....my response? No one else needs this long or has this many complications! HELP ME!!!

Tomorrow, I head to doctor #9, a neurologist. In my heart, I don't believe there is a pill or a procedure that will eleviate these sensations. It's going to take time....and LOTS of it. And, after reading most of the responses on this board, I am thankful that I have damage and not a severed nerve. My heart goes out to those of you who have had your nerve severed. This is bad enough...and that fact helps me get through the bad days---at least I am not suffering like those with severed nerves.

God bless each of you that have to endure this ongoing pain and aggravation and frustration!


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Donna
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Aug-27-04, 09:07 PM (CST)
 
179. "RE: Lawsuits and nerve injury"
In response to message #168
 
   I cannot believe I have found this site - I had my wisdom teeth extracted 9 years ago and have been left with no feeling whatsoever in my lower face and lip. The dentist told me I had signed a paper acknowledging this nerve damage was a common risk. I went to a specialist who had clearly collaborated with the dentist and basically said this happens 'all the time'........I 'let it go' and have been silently suffering since. I now live out of state and am wondering do I still have any rights to pursue retribution for this.


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ErinC
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Jul-09-04, 08:49 PM (CST)
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172. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Forgive me for the mispelling of neurotin, however after reading so much on this site in the conference room I had to go on the neurotin website. Because I am on my way to an my first neurology appt this Tues July 13 2004, I wanted to know exactly what this drug was. Well, for people that are on it and do not know, I found a huge lawsuit against the manufacture. Go on the website and read it. It has never been approved for facial pain in the US. So I am glad I did more investigation on this. The side effects you guys described are listed on the lawsuit, and a few extras. I am not going to agree to having that drug no way, not me. Hope you guys can do some foot work and maybe get off it and find something that is approved by the FDA for our facial pain.

Many Blessings with your recovery,
Erin


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CJ
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Jul-10-04, 11:10 AM (CST)
 
173. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Erin,
What website are you talking about?


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ErinC
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Jul-27-04, 12:53 PM (CST)
 
174. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #173
 
   Neurotin.com there is a write up on lawsuits, and fda non approvals


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Dirk J.
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Aug-29-04, 07:35 PM (CST)
 
180. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   There is a preparation for a classaction
lawsuit going on at Lawrence E. Feldman
& Associates at Jenkintown PA 19046 see

www.leflaw.com or


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Shelley
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Aug-30-04, 10:37 PM (CST)
 
181. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #180
 
  
I don't know about that, I filled out the form and I got a call saying they weren't interested but would "pass my name along."
Then I was hounded by calls from lawyers.
Is this a legit class action suit I wonder.
Exactly what symptoms are they looking for? I can't understand why they would not have been interested in my case of diagnosed nerve damage after septocaine injections.


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Dr. B
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Aug-31-04, 06:38 AM (CST)
 
182. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #181
 
   Most class action suits only make money for the lawyers. And if you are trying to sue a manufacturer as an individual, you may as well try to sue the government. It is futile.


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CousinOpey
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Sep-01-04, 00:34 AM (CST)
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183. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Well I to suffer from a nerve injury when I had my wisdom teeth extracted about 8 mnths ago. I went in thinking normal procedure everyone has to get it done, I even got it done at the dentist office not an oral surgeon just a general dentist. Didnt sign any forms or consent nothing about implications the surgery might have on me. Surgery went well I thought, until I awoke the next day with the left half of my tongue still numb. Stuipid but i thought could it still be the novicane. Called dentist said nothing to worry about its noraml should go away in a couple weeks or months. About 2 mnths later I am getting pretty pissed. Called dentist and demaded he send me to someone that could help me since he didnt think anything was out of the ordinary. He really didnt even give information about what was happening, I learned more by trolling through goggle were I eventually found this wonderful site. Well went to his oral surgeon, then he set me up with a nuerologist of some kind not to sure about specific field. He told me that it is more then likey I am gonna be like this for ever. Surgery options didnt worht it to me since I am not in any pain. I have no feeling on the left half of my tongue, left lower gums, left floor of my mouth, and the worst no taste drives me crazy. I was a chief at the time so it made life real interesting for me at the time. Planning my restaurant soon went down the drain. I am thinking of taking legal action and found a lawyer that might take my case, need to see what the expert witness says about my medical records first though. I do want to see legal justice for this since I signed no consent and am fairly peeved, about the aburpt life changes that have occured. Since I am a little tight now being unemployed I am wondering if it would be worthwhile to get one of those (I think) fairly expensive expert witnesses?
Well that was a long post but I feel better already about sharing my story thanks all.


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Dr. B
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Sep-01-04, 01:09 AM (CST)
 
184. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #183
 
   Where are you located? I know a lot of lawyers who would take your case, and I am not sure you are getting the best info by the oral surgeon either and time is running out for a repair. Email me at Jcbax@aol.com


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teresa
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Sep-14-04, 11:15 AM (CST)
 
188. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #183
 
   How old are you? My daughter is 17 and having the same problem.


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CousinOpey
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Feb-28-05, 05:10 PM (CST)
 
223. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #183
 
   Well, I heard back from my lawyer today got the information back from our expert witness. It seems that I dont have a case for malpractice, but it is possible to continue with an informed consent case. Which I was not given. I am upset, I was hoping for a malpractice suit, I am furious with my dentist and feel let down with my options of how to coninue with the lawsuit. Has anybody ever had an informed conset case with this type of injury? Are there any alternatives to continue with a malpractice suit? Dr.B you had thought I had a case could you offer any advice to me.


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bonnie carlson
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Sep-01-04, 11:24 PM (CST)
 
185. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   July 21 st 2004 I received two novacaine injections for the purpose of performing a molar buildup. The injection damaged my alveolar nerve and now the right side of my tongue is dead,with little to no sensation, and the tissue below my bottom lip is partially numb. I make my living by using my mouth, I talk on the phone ALL day. I am a telephone surveyist. I often bite into my tongue while talking and eating because I cannot get a sense of where my tongue is in my mouth because it is mostly dead. This is awful, horrible. I informed the dentist one week after the injections, he was horrible, he offered no words or gestures to calm my fears or give me hope for healing. This has caused me such distress that I had to take three days off of work to give my tongue a rest and to calm myself. I have recently had to take prescribed sedatives to deal with the stress this condition is causing me to experience.Also I have changed my work hours to
part-time, so now i am experiencing great financial loss.. It's hell everyday. I was evaluated by a nuerologist who concluded that the nerve is damaged. I have contacted two law firms in the city of Minneapolis/St.Paul. neither firm would take the case, I think that they want front loading proof of negligence. Please help me-what can you say to me? Some advice information something please/ Thank you very much for your attention.
Most Sincerly,
Bonnie Carlson bonrae@uslink.net (218)236-8914


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reesatay
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Sep-02-04, 10:43 AM (CST)
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186. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #185
 
   LAST EDITED ON Sep-02-04 AT 10:52 AM (CST)
 
Bonnie,

I could not find a lawyer that would take my case either because they told me it is very hard to prove malpractice for injectional injuries. There usually isn't any evidence of "malpractice". It is just one of those unfortunate things that happen to some of us. It is hard to accept this notion that someone isn't responsible for this, but that is how it is.

I believe the dentist is morally responsible if not legally responsible, but from what I've read on this site, many dentists like your own don't want to own this responsibility. All I know is it sucks big time. I understand your frustration and distress with your injury. It is very hard to go through something like this.

I'm sorry you to read about your injury. I have a similar injectional injury, but I don't have the numbness you have. I have pain. I want to stress one thing to you and that is most of these injuries heal in time. It can be a very gradual improvement over the course of days, weeks, months and even years, but there is improvement. The stats show that 85% will heal within the year. I'm still healing 20 months after my injury, even after the one year mark. As long as your healing that is what is important. Healing nerves can take a very long time, but there will be healing. Stay hopeful that you will improve.

Keep a log of the areas of numbness and see how you are improving each week. Sometimes the changes are so very small you can't see them without looking back on how bad it was the weeks before.

This injury is very stressful to deal with especially in the beginning. Don't beat yourself up about taking sedatives because many of us on this site had to take something like that too. It is important to get sleep and the sedatives help to do this. I know I sure did need this help and sometimes still do.

I'm also sorry your dentist was a jerk about your injury. Many of us on this site have had this experience too. I think the dentist's actions can make this injury experience much worse if he doesn't give us the info and support we need.

If you start to have pain during the healing stages there are medications to help you, so don't hesitate to go to your doctor for help. Read the treatment page on this site for examples of meds: http://www.sciential.net/Treatment%20options.shtml

Note: The IAN nerve serves the front of the mouth like the bottom lip, so if your tongue is numb your lingual nerve is injured too. Read the Mechanisms of Injury page for info on how this injury happens: http://www.sciential.net/lingual_nerve_injury_from_anesth.htm

Hang in there

"T"


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TJH
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Sep-13-04, 10:09 AM (CST)
 
187. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #186
 
   I am having micro surgery( 5 hours it will take) Oct 13 to explore and see if there is a bad section he may be able to cut out and reattach the good sections. I have had this damage since Feb. He says chances of making it worse are slim so I think its worth a shot.
Has anyone else tried the surgery?
Should I ask the dentist who caused this to pay what insurance wont cover? Seems like getting a lawyer is pointless since it was done during injection.

I dont know what to do anymore, if anyone has any suggestions feel free to offer. TJHollis65@aol.com
I have not heard from my dentist who did this in months and months I just keep getting a bill for the remainder of the crown, which i have paid almost all of it but they have have not put crown in permanent yet so feel as if I will pay them when the work is complete.


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Lisette
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Dec-18-04, 02:57 PM (CST)
 
191. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I was in an auto accident in which my head hit the roof and I was knocked unconscious for at least ten minutes (I had a seat belt on that almost strangled me). I suffered a deviated nasal septum, numbed tongue, possible hair-line fracture of my right cheek bone, permanent visible dent in my right forehead, hematoma on my left forehead and ended up with a pittance of a settlement. WHY??? because I couldn't find an oral surgeon or dentist that knew what causes a numb tongue - TRUE! and their (insurance) position was that the deviated septum and hairline fracture could have been there from an accident ten years before!
Another cause of a "numb" tongue could be from subsequent hyPOthyroidism... another of my lasting mementos from two drunken drivers who got off scott-free.
Lisette "lschroth@cox.net"
Like you, I suspect that there are many thousands of others who suffer from "numb tongue" who aren't getting any answers or advice. After years of searching, this is the first time I have found any "hits" on the subject.


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Dr. B
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Dec-19-04, 09:22 AM (CST)
 
193. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #191
 
   Neurological problems are often impossible to diagnose when there is trauma involved. Don't be angry at the oral surgeons, but you have a right to be angry at the drivers.


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Vlasta
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Dec-21-04, 06:55 AM (CST)
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194. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury/first time here"
In response to message #0
 
   Dear Dr.Baxter,
I just posted my story on this site, so please if you have a minute of your time, find it and read it.
If you would reply to me, I would truly appreciate your thought.
Thank you,
VLASTA


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julie
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Dec-21-04, 10:47 AM (CST)
 
195. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I am 8 months out from injection injury to my lingual nerve from a root canal.
The endodontist insisted on giving my the shot to the rear of my jaw even though I asked him not to as I was heavily sedated on halcion.
The shot gave me an instant electric shock and blood/metal taste. I then went out and do not even remember leaving after the procedure due to the sedation.
I called the next day when my tongue was still completely numb with shooting pains. He said to wait and week and come in if it did not resolve.
I saw him in a week. He said he had hit my lingual nerve and he immediately sent me to an oral surgeon who did a needle exam verifying lingual nerve injury.
They put me on a wait and see mode with some steroids and pain relievers. After viewing this site, and finding time was of the essence, I forced the issue to be referred to a specialist and saw Green at the U of FL.
Last I saw him in Oct. he gave me a surgical option with a 1 in 10 shot at finding the injury. There was added risk of further nerve injury so I have opted out.
My symptoms to date are numb, burnt feeling on outside skin of tongue on right and wrapping around the tip of the tongue, stabbing pain at the site of the root canal on occassion, shooting pains into tongue, jaw and into ear daily but not constantly. My sensation of taste is weak and I do have a constant strong salt taste sensation which causes constant thirst, but even drinking water tastes like the ocean so there is no resolve. Even sweet foods have a salt taste.
I have contacted a couple lawyers and have a consultation scheduled. I was contacted by a lawyer, I assume from this site, that said they had the package of info available to any lawyer that was willing to take these cases. I am hoping for any help as I have every reason to believe this is what I will deal with permanently and it is not pleasant to say the least.
Thank you, Julie


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Little Man
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Jan-08-05, 03:32 PM (CST)
 
199. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Julie, please let us know how to receive the package of information available to "any lawyer willing to take these cases." I have a willing lawyer and would appreciate any assistance anyone could provide. It is a daunting task.


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Dr. B
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Jan-08-05, 06:38 PM (CST)
 
200. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #199
 
   I have some suggestions if you want to email me Jcbax@aol.com
Please include which state you are in.


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julie
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Jan-31-05, 06:55 AM (CST)
 
204. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #199
 
   please send me your email address so I can contact you directly. As I do not know that this person wants any info posted openly.
riverats@atlantic.net
Sorry for the delay. J


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Stacy
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Jan-04-05, 08:14 PM (CST)
 
196. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I just had a lower wisdom tooth extracted my a dentist. When I was being deadened for the procedure, I felt a shock and jerked. The dentist immediately asked if I felt a shocking sensation, which I replied that I had. He continued with the procedure and simply explained that he may have hit a nerve and that I may experience numbness for a period of two weeks max. He really made it seem like no big deal. I believed it was no big deal until I really am still numb in my tongue. Its extremely uncomfortable. I was notr referred to an oral surgeon at any point. I have an appointment soon to have stitched removed, so.. we'll see what he says then. As far as a lawsuit, if my injury is permanent, I may consider it.


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Vlasta
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Jan-04-05, 08:50 PM (CST)
 
197. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #196
 
   Stacy, when was the day of your extraction>

When are you going to see him again?

Good luck and hope you will recover soon.

Vlasta


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Debbie
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Jan-05-05, 10:25 PM (CST)
 
198. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #196
 
   :'(

I would suggest a new dentist. Your dentist was not honest with you from the very beginning--I wouldn't risk any further cover up on his part.

I had a root canal done about 3 months ago and my dentist told me I should be feeling better in a few days, when that time passed, he told me it should be a few weeks, when that passed a few months. After that point, I cut off all communication and have decided to find another dentist and have been attempting to deal with the numbness. Do yourself a favor and find someone you can trust!


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DianaReichardt
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Jan-25-05, 03:23 PM (CST)
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202. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   >I am a dental expert witness who has reviewed many nerve
>damage cases. I am convinced that nerve injury occurs more
>frequently than what is expected in dentistry. I was
>wondering how many patients were promptly referred to an
>oral surgeon, and how many individuals were filing lawsuits.


Just happened to me and I don't really know what to do. I was immediatly refferred to a oral surgon.And am waiting for an appointment. I am a ballroom dance competitor and instructor. I can't function like this!!! I quit going to the dentist for 8 years,my husband forces me to go , and then my jaw is numb!!!
Diana Reichardt.

D.R.


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Dr. B
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Jan-25-05, 05:51 PM (CST)
 
203. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #202
 
   Which nerve was injured, the lip or tongue? How was it injured, was it an injection? It is good you were sent to an OS right away.


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shelby
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Feb-01-05, 09:43 PM (CST)
 
205. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #203
 
  

I was not referred to an oral surgeon. I referred myself. I was injured during a root canal by a general dentist. I am pursuing a law suit.


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PEARL
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Feb-02-05, 07:00 PM (CST)
 
206. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury--Dr. B"
In response to message #0
 
  
I am nearing a pre-settlement conference. I told my attorney to tell them that I would accept $250K. Now I realize that I meant "in pocket". Can I reasonably change this at this time? My expenses have been unbelievably large amounts and of course it is very difficult to put a value on losing one's love of life, loss of income, constant pain, wasted from narcotics, etc. I would give everything I have away to have this never happen to me (or the rest of us either). What you think?


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Carol46614
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Feb-17-05, 03:41 PM (CST)
 
214. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury--Dr. B"
In response to message #206
 
   Pearl,

Which state are you located and who are your attorneys?


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Carol46614
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Feb-28-05, 10:07 AM (CST)
 
222. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury--Dr. B"
In response to message #206
 
   Pearl,

Where are you located and who are your attorneys?


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pearl
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Jun-05-05, 05:10 PM (CST)
 
252. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury--Dr. B"
In response to message #222
 
   TO CAROL 46614
SORRY DIDN'T SEE THIS EARLIER. i AM IN kALISPELL, MT
MY ATTORNEY IS LEE HENNING, WHY DO YOU ASK?


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ansley
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Jul-27-05, 08:08 AM (CST)
 
276. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury--Dr. B"
In response to message #206
 
   Pearl,

I am an attorney in Florida with a client with permanent injuries from Septocaine. I am very interested in speaking with any other attorneys handling these types of cases. Could you please provide me with your attorney's name & contact information? You can leave a detailed message with my Assistant, Debbie, at 800-326-7709. I am out on maternity leave, but check my messages daily.

Thank you,

Ansley Ellmyer, Esq.


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judfell9
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Feb-02-05, 09:15 PM (CST)
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207. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   LAST EDITED ON Feb-04-05 AT 07:55 PM (CST)
 
Initially I had only prolonged numbness(tongue)and now the lymph nodes under the tongue and neck are affected as well as a result of injection on Tuesday, 1/25/05. My dentist has referred me to an oral surgeon scheduled tomorrow, 2/3.

Any advise before I go? Is there a chance this is just temporary or is there any treatment?

Saw an oral surgeon 2/3. I was hoping for a miracle and all I got was
charting of how numb my tongue was. Discussed the ache/pain in my jaw
and the glands in my neck and he prescribed a muscle relaxer. He said it wasn't related to the nerve injury. I have a followup in two weeks.


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Raymond Brady
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Feb-04-05, 12:08 PM (CST)
 
208. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Dr. Baxter,

I am attorney and am in presuit on a dental negligence case involving compression of the IAN and severing of the IAA during wisdom tooth extraction by a general dentist in Florida.

If you're interested, please forward your C.V. and fee schedule to my office email at rfbrady@bellsouth.net.

Thank you.

Ray Brady, Esq.


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Anita
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Feb-15-05, 03:34 PM (CST)
 
210. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #208
 
   Does anyone know if you have filed a small claims suit against an OS
within a yr. but lost does it still stop the statue of limitations from running out?

Thanks,
Anita


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stretch
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Feb-15-05, 05:16 PM (CST)
 
211. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #210
 
   I don't know why you would file in small claims...Normally it is filed in circuit court.

You need to chek with your state for statutes. I would recommend that you check with your state's Attorney General's office. Most of those are accessible online.


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Carol46614
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Feb-17-05, 09:28 AM (CST)
 
212. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I was never referred to an oral surgeon and I couldn't find an attorney to take my case. They all said I would never get it past the medical review board and I didn't have the funds to get my own expert. Because my nerve damage is permanent and extremely painful believe me if I could sue I would. This was a simple injection for a tooth filling, I really don't believe this should have happened.


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classickerrie
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Feb-17-05, 04:03 PM (CST)
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215. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #212
 
   Carol46614-
Under this thread, look for Staley. He is a Dentist and an attorney who is on our side when it comes to these types of cases. However, if it has been over 2 years, most states have a limitaion. You will need to check with your state. Good Luck, but by all means contact him, he will be honest and let you know if he thinks you have a case.

Love@light
Kerrie


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carolineabryant
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Feb-26-05, 05:46 PM (CST)
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219. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #215
 
   I live in Michigna, and last Friday has this happen to me, My tongue is numb hurts and feels like I burned it...Dentist told me to wait 6 months?


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Carol46614
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Feb-28-05, 10:04 AM (CST)
 
221. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #219
 
   Carolineabryant,

DO NOT WAIT, Just sue. Believe me I Know, I waited 24 months for this pain to go away and it never did. Now I am past the statue to sue and the dentist DOES NOT CARE. No one will help you with this. Hopefully your pain and numbnmess will go away but don't do the same thing I did and wait for it to go away. Find a lawyer fast and sue.


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carolineabryant
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Feb-26-05, 05:55 PM (CST)
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220. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
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   Well doesn't it go hand in hand, A simple procedure done from a Professional whom you trust and pay for his services - Does so much damage, Of course they refer you to their choice of Oral Surgeon - and I pick my Lawyer, but Now I have a Problem, I paid for 2 Crowns at $1045.00 each and have my temporaries in, Do I trust for the same office to finish the work??


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CousinOpey
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Feb-28-05, 05:12 PM (CST)
 
224. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Well, I heard back from my lawyer today got the information back from our expert witness. It seems that I dont have a case for malpractice, but it is possible to continue with an informed consent case. Which I was not given. I am upset, I was hoping for a malpractice suit, I am furious with my dentist and feel let down with my options of how to coninue with the lawsuit. Has anybody ever had an informed conset case with this type of injury? Are there any alternatives to continue with a malpractice suit? Dr.B you had thought I had a case could you offer any advice to me.


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Dr. B
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Feb-28-05, 05:58 PM (CST)
 
225. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #224
 
   From listening to you, I thought you did but I have not reviewed your records. Email me at Jcbax@aol.com


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Reesatay
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Feb-28-05, 06:52 PM (CST)
 
226. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #224
 
   CousinOpey,

What is the reason you don't have a case? I thought if the lingual nerve is damaged from an extraction there is a case. I'm sorry it isn't working out for you on the legal side.

Have you had any help on the medical side to evaluate your injury for repair?

"T"


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Alexandra
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Mar-01-05, 06:03 PM (CST)
 
227. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #226
 
   Hi,
Im new to this site and just thought i would ask a quick question or two. I am from Canada so not looking for legal advice or anything. One month ago i had all four wisdom teeth and 4 cysts removed by a mxillofacial surgeon. i was put to sleep and woke up with half of my tongue numb and my lower gums on the numb side. 6 days later i woke up with cold sores all over my lips and canker sores in my mouth... neither of which i have ever had before. I went back for a checkup, informed my dentisit that my tongue was numb except that sometimes like when i yawned it would hurt a great deal. he gave me mouth wash for the cankers and said he would call in a month to see if the feeling had returned for his own records. said nothing like this had ever happened before and said "this is the stuff you can't learn in books." just wondering if there is anything i should be doing or if i should jsut leave it and hope it all goes away like he suggested.
thanks for the help


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Dr. B
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Mar-01-05, 06:22 PM (CST)
 
228. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #227
 
   You need to be followed by someone who knows about repairing such injury. There are Canadians who come here who can give you some names.


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ansley
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Jul-27-05, 08:11 AM (CST)
 
277. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #224
 
   CousinOpey,

I am an attorney in Florida with a client who sufferd permanent injuries from Septocaine. I am interested in speaking with any other attorneys handling these types of cases. Could you please call my office at 800-326-7709 with your attorney's name & contact information?

Thank you,

Ansley Ellmyer, Esq.


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CousinOpey
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Mar-17-05, 01:05 PM (CST)
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229. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   Well, the reason I dont have a case or the reason my lawyer won't take my case. It seems that in Ohio statisticaly GDs dont refer a patient to a OS even if there is an impaction. My lawyer said based on that, it is a hard case to try. Although I didnt sign a malpractice form, we can continue with that. I will still continue with a informed consent case but feel rather let down. I am not even getting justice for the fact that my most of my tongue will be numb and tasteless for the rest of my life. Not knowing when I got my surgery that this would be possible and that I should have gone to see, an OS.

To me with no consent and no referal I see that as malpractice. For those people that think I or anyone else here is out for money I assure I am not. I would give anything to have a normal mouth again. Since, both my career and my livlihood were both effected by this.


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Carol46614
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Mar-17-05, 02:15 PM (CST)
 
230. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #229
 
   Well CousinOpey welcome to the world of no responsibility for dentists. I have been in pain for over 2 years now, permanently injured by a dentist through an injection, I wasn't even having anything pulled. She gets away with it. I am left in constant pain. Haven't worked in more than two years and she just had another kid.


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CousinOpey
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Mar-18-05, 10:45 AM (CST)
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231. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #230
 
   Thanks for the welcome, I wish I wasnt welcomed and back were I originally was(no that I dont like any of you =) ). I am sure most of you feel the same way. Thats awful that you are in pain. I feel extremly fortunate that I only have numbness. Don't know to much about it but hopefully in these problems can be corrected in the future. The pain stories is why I choose not to get corrective surgery didnt want to make it any worse. I cant imagine what that must be like.


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Little Man
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Mar-19-05, 04:46 PM (CST)
 
232. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I have a trial date set in a lawsuit against Septodont, the maker of the infamous Articaine. Septodont has perhaps the largest market share in the world of local anesthesia, yet they claim the have NEVER been sued until now! Does this sound right to you? Does anyone know of an instance in which Septodont has been sued?


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CJ
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Mar-19-05, 05:41 PM (CST)
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233. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #232
 
   This is not correct. I know of at least two other lawsuits in progress against this company. You should make a complaint to the Federal Drug Administration too. That way they know this anesthetic is causing problems.

Septocaine along with injection injury has caused the problems I am having now. Maybe someday there will be a class action suit and this stuff will be off the market.


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stretch
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Mar-20-05, 09:19 AM (CST)
 
234. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #233
 
   Be aware that our "wonderful" lawmakers are now pushing to make all class-action lawsuits a federal court situiation. Funny how the Republicans, who want less government, are now wanting to have there hands in these matters.

The so called tort reform will be a negative for those at this site that have a sollid case.

Case in point, in Missouri, tort reform that was just passed, would se a max. economic at 5x your salary, or 500,000 dollars. The way the law is written, if you area house wife, with no income, legally, you could receive nothing for lost economics.

This is not the way to protect the public.!!!!!!


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Dr. B
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Mar-20-05, 09:47 AM (CST)
 
235. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #234
 
   I totally agree with Stretch. Most of the tort "reform" being pushed by the Repuplican party hurts individuals who have legit grounds for suits. In some states there is a cap of $500K for ANY injury, even if the patient is killed!


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Little Man
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Mar-20-05, 01:08 PM (CST)
 
236. "For CJ"
In response to message #233
 
   CJ:
It would help if you could give me specifics re the two other lawsuits. I am aware of one in Dallas, though Septodont includes that one as never sued "until now." Our court date has been set, the Dallas case has not. Can you help without violating a trust?


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CJ
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Mar-21-05, 08:55 PM (CST)
 
240. "RE: For CJ"
In response to message #236
 
   Little Man,
I know of 2 cases in Dallas and one in WA state. As far as I know, in the one case, Septocaine lawyers have interviewed the person suing and I don't know whether they are considering settling or going to trial.
And I don't know the stage the other two are in but I do know they are suing Septocaine manufacturers.


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Ansley
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Jul-27-05, 07:40 AM (CST)
 
275. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #232
 
   Little Man,

I am an attorney in Florida with a client with permanent injuries from Septocaine. I would greatly appreciate it if you would provide me with your Attorney's name and contact information so that I can contact him/her to discuss trial strategy agaisnt Septodent. My office number is 800-326-7709. Please leave a detailed message with my assistant, Debbie, as I am out of the office on maternity leave. I check my messages daily.

Thank you very much,

Ansley Ellmyer, Esq.


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Sheri
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Mar-20-05, 03:58 PM (CST)
 
237. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I had a crown done on 9 Dec 04 and have been in pain since. My dentist thought I needed a root canal, so I had that done 3 weeks later. The pain continued. My dentist refuses to even admit that nerve damage is a possibility. I have burning pain down one side of my tongue and also in my lower gums on the one side. Nothing relieves it except sleep. What do I do now that my dentist won't help me? I don't know who to turn to.


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Dr. B
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Mar-20-05, 05:50 PM (CST)
 
238. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #237
 
   Have an endodontist evaluate the root canal, and if they cannof find a problem, ask for a referral from there.


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Amy Grover
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Mar-21-05, 02:19 PM (CST)
 
239. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #0
 
   I am looking for an expert witness for my case. Can you help????


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Kerrie
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Mar-22-05, 09:52 AM (CST)
 
241. "RE: Lawsuits and neve injury"
In response to message #239
 
   Amy-
Look for R.W. Staley on this thread. He is BOTH a lawyer and a Dentist. He is on our side on this issue, and he is very knowledgable and helpful. Look through his posts, he has his phone number to contact him and I think E-mail too. He knows of many expert witness, in fact he is one. He has been working with me on my case for the past 1 1/2 years. I am very satisfied so far. I don't think you will have anything to loose by contacting him.
Best of luck to you,
Kerrie


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Little Man
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Mar-22-05, 06:13 PM (CST)
 
242. "Kerrie"
In response to message #241
 
   I have called Dr. Staley several times without getting a response. I'd love to talk to him. going up against Septodont is daunting, and I'm just a . . . Little Man.


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Kerrie
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Apr-11-05, 03:42 PM (CST)
 
245. "RE: Kerrie"
In response to message #242
 
   Little man-
I am sorry to hear that Mr. Staley has not contacted you. Keep trying, I know that he travels alot and is a very busy man. I am sure he will get back to you at some point. Good Luck!


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SSA
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Jun-11-05, 05:12 PM (CST)
 
253. "RE: Kerrie"
In response to message #245
 
   Boy, do I feel sorry for you, if you're depending on Staley. I've seen him testify recently, and he was completely ineffectual. Here are some facts which you may (or may not) be interested in:
-Staley failed the California Dental Board three times (I don't think you can take it a fourth time)
- Staley's license was suspended in Pennsylvania because he was unable to defend an act of his own negligence that occurred while he was practicing in another State.
- Staley arrogantly prejudices himself by being a member of the Trial Lawyers Association, but not a member of the ADA or AAOMS. Since jurors are instructed by the Court to consider the bias of an expert witness, this shows he's just plain stupid. The stupidity, I'd bet, is a product of a maniacal mix of arrogance, egocentricism, and a long continuing history of failure.
- Staley, unlike most competent oral surgeons, is not certified to administer IV anesthesia in his State. Asked why, he is on record as saying "... general anesthesia scares me"
-Staley is on record as saying he's removed over 100,000 wisdom teeth. Do the math yourself- 100,000 wisdom teeth in 30 years. Jurors literally laughed out loud when that sentence was repeated during closing arguments by the defendant's attorney.
-And how's this from a patient / jury perspective- Staley testified that he does not make it a routine to see patients back for follow-up after a surgery. Now that's a sign of a caring surgeon, huh?
The overwhelming sense was that Staley carries not one shred of confidence, believability, or respect into the court. His lack of self esteem may as well be stamped on his forehead. In fact, he was such a mumbling, muttering, poorly coordinated fool, it seemed like many of the Jurors did not believe he was really a surgeon. He was so obviously TRYING- but his pathetic nature was lost on no one. The jurors at one end of the box could not even see the rickety home made model he brought with him, and they didn't even care. After 10 minutes or so, they had no interest whatsoever in what he was trying to explain. They would only look up when he dropped something, again. But the strongest anti-Staley fact? His history of failing a board exam three times in a row and then having to relinquish his license in another State NEVER EVEN CAME UP IN TESTIMONY! There was no need for the defendant's attorney to undermine him any further than he had already undermined himself. From the moment he walked in the room, Staley came off as an ugly wound. The defendant's attorney saw no reason to waste the Court's time throwing salt his way.
With Staley being the "most solid" portion of this case, the defendant dentist won a unanimous decision after less than an hour of deliberation. And if you click and Google enough, you'll see that is the usual outcome when Staley takes the stand. But hey, he's getting his $3,000 a day. Apparently, that's a lot better than he can do in the dental office.

But good luck....


SSA


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Kerrie
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Jun-13-05, 11:08 AM (CST)
 
254. "RE: Kerrie"
In response to message #253
 
   SSA-
I don't need you to feel sorry for me. From what I have read, you are just out for blood, Why I do not know, and don't care. I know that he is good based on my own personal experience. I will however, correct you on your incorrect post. Mr. Staley "voluntarily surrendered" his license in PA, it was not suspended, he gave it up. There was some type of displinary action taken aganist him here in Oregon, but... only available by written/fax request, so I have to wait for that, but... can tell you that he has not had his license suspended here in Oregon for anything. He was first licensed in June 1975. His current license is valid until 03/31/2007. And as far as jurors go, look at the O.J. simpson case, those idots beleived the whole "planted evidence" and "racist cop" theorys too, so as far as jurors go, I don't trust them to "pay attention" or really have a good grasp of what is being discussed. You never know the "personality" of a juror. They could have a dad (such as my boss does, therefore, he thinks all lawsuites aganist dentists are "unfounded")or a good friend or someone they know that is a dentist, that could "relate" or "feel sorry" for them but not the paitent. Odds are that a juror would "know of" a dentist personaly before they could ever relate to a "injured" paitent. Most people don't even know what the lingual nerve is, let alone how badly it can effect your everyday life, for the rest of your life! Juror just can't relate to it, therefore, it is dismissed in their minds.
Also, as a side note. It is not that uncommon for a dentist or even better, an oral surgeon to not "pass" the exam the first time, and perhaps even a second. Based on that, perhaps I wouldn't want to be one of his patients for the first year or so, but... since he has been licensed since 1975, I think he's had enough experience by now. I would go see him, even knowing that info. And just because he doesn't do IV sedation, doesn't have anything to do with compentancy. I applaud him for being honest in saying that is "scares" him. It should scare every Dr. who uses it. There is always more risk involved with IV sedation. I am always the paitent, and after the talk they give you about the "warnings", I am always scared to death. Besides according to Mr. "oral surgeon" who posted here not long ago: "No Dr. could know exactly where the nerves are located without having an MRI/cat scan" and he stated that: "With IV sedation, the paitent can't tell you when you hit a nerve", therefore more chance of injury to the paitent. Perhaps those are reasons why Dr. Staley chooses not to do IV sedation.
The same is also true of Lawyers and Real Estate professionals. That doesn't mean that they are not competent or good at what they do. I for one am one of those that when I take a written test, I get nervous/anxious, it doesn't mean that I don't know the material, it's just that everybody reacts different to situations. (I guess I'm saying; some people are book smart, but can't take tests to save their lives).
My point is there could be alot more going on than you are aware of, but thanks for your post just the same.


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Dr. B
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Jun-13-05, 11:38 AM (CST)
 
255. "RE: Kerrie"
In response to message #254
 
   Kerrie,
I really hope things work out for you but one does not voluntarily "give up" one's license unless one has some serious problems. Pa. is not that strict either, I know, I have a Pa license. Anyone can fail a Board but that would be a warning flag too.

Let us know what happens.


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Kerrie
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Jun-14-05, 09:23 AM (CST)
 
258. "RE: Kerrie"
In response to message #255
 
   Dr. B-
I am hopeful that things will work out for me. I just wanted to clear things up. He did voluntarily give up his PA license based on some type of displinary action here in Oregon, that did not result in his license being suspended here in Oregon. That info. is only avail. by written request, I have requested it and will have to wait and see what it was. Every state board exam is a little different as well, yeah it would be a little concer like I said perhaps in the first year or so, but he has been licensed since 1975, I think he has plenty of experience by now. I just didn't buy SSA'a statement that the guy is unskilled just because he chooses not to do IV sedation, that's crap and unfair to say about a professional.
I will keep everyone informed of what both outcomes are.
Thanks Dr. B
Kerrie


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R.W. Staley
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Jun-16-05, 07:46 PM (CST)
 
259. "RE: Kerrie"
In response to message #258
 
   Thank you for your vote of confidence! I have had one minor disiplinary action in Oregon in 30 years. I had to re-imburse a patient $421 because of mixup with a general dentists x-ray. I will not bore you with the mundane details. It was really very trivial. Anyhow, as a result of that, there is a national databank so all states can communicate. I was license in Penna. since 1975 whwn I did my residency there. I maintained it...paid the money every few years, because my parents were there, and who knows? Why burn brideges? Anyhow, rather than respond to Penna. about the Oregon action, they said I could just voluntarily surrender my license, since they realized I was never going to practice there at this point. Something has to be done with the license...you can't just throw it in the wastebasket. It must be "accounted for", so it was surrendered...voluntarily by me...back to Penna.
I did IV anes. for 25 years....I am 60 years old and "slowing down" meaning that I am electing not to do "stuff" that I really did not enjoy. IV anesthesia was one of them. The stories I have heard as a lawyer.....no thanks! 100,000 wisdom teeth...as SSA says, do the math....30 years (100,000 / 30 years) 3333/year /50 weeks=66
per week....about 12-13 per day. Remember, this is top and bottom teeth, so four per patient....3 cases per day. In my hayday, I often did 6-8 cases per day. Realize, this is not a scientific
study!!!! An estimate....lighten up SSA.
Effectiveness as a witness....let my record stand on its merit.
I have been involved with lingual nerve injuries now for at least 20 years....and no...not every case was won! I do not know who SSA is, but obviously, he has no love for me. I will argue with anyone the merits of lingual nerve injuries. The irony is that most oral surgeons that I have talked with agree with me....behind closed doors. Lingual nerves are cut because there is a slip with the drill and the nerve is injured. No other cause, except needle injury, makes any sense, and needle injury situations are in a different category. I wish I could be of service to all that have been negligently injured, but that is not realistic. Best of luck...
R.W. Staley


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JAG
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Jun-16-05, 08:01 PM (CST)
 
260. "RE: Kerrie"
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   GO STALEY!! WOOHOO!

J


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R.W. Staley
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Jun-16-05, 08:05 PM (CST)
 
261. "RE: Kerrie"
In response to message #259
 
   Forgot something....failed boards business. In 1975 while an oral surgery resident....we wanted to move to Calif. (didn't everyone?)
California had a general dental board (not oral surgery), and did not want out of staters coming. They had a 28% pass rate for non-california dental school students. I was persistent, and they were consistent, and I was unsuccessful 3 times. Oregon had a specialty board for oral surgeons. I took it and passed the first time. I have never flunked anything in my life except the California licensing board for general dentists, when I was an oral surgeon???
Go figure. I passed my board certification exam for national oral surgery certification fist time and the bar exam the first time. Funny how things turn out...we love Oregon!

I will not respond to the psychoanalysis or personality slams...life is too short, and my time is more valuable. Again, best of luck!


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Kerrie
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Jun-17-05, 10:13 AM (CST)
 
263. "RE: Kerrie"
In response to message #261
 
   R.W. Staley-
Hello, and thanks for setting the record straight for everyone. I knew there was more to the story than SSA wanted us to know about.
Yes, it is funny how things work out, and yeah Oregon is great, well except for out tax issues these days. Which I guess leads into a bunch of other problems like the school funding, police, fire, etc. But besides all that, Oregon is beautiful, In fact I think it was National Geographic just named us the cleanest city in America. I wonder if they truly tested the Willamette river, but... #1 we are!
I sent you and E-mail, contact me when you get a minute, I'd like to talk to you about something.
Thanks,
Kerrie


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SSA
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Jun-20-05, 02:21 PM (CST)
 
264. "RE: Kerrie"
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   As Staley says, his record should stand on its own merit.

First off, the “mundane details” of the “very trivial” disciplinary action in Oregon:
What Staley does not want to “bore” us with is the heart of the matter. Ask the patient that filed a complaint to the Oregon Board of Dentistry how “mundane and trivial” the matter was. The fact is, a procedure was botched. Adding insult to injury, Staley (an oral surgeon) then relied upon the follow-up exam of a general dentist when the patient started having problems. Because of this second error, the problems resulting from the botched procedure had the opportunity to manifest further. Fortunately, the patient ended up seeing another oral surgeon. The $421.00 was the cost associated with this second surgeon fixing Staley’s blunder.

General Anesthesia Credentials:
Let’s say you were credentialed to fly multiple engine jet planes. You get older, and want to slow down a bit. A single engine propeller Cessna becomes your favorite way to fly. Does this mean you give up your credentials to fly jets? The decision of what and when to fly remains your own- no one is saying you’d have to fly jets. So why give up hard earned credentials?? Wouldn’t forfeiting credentials decrease your standing amongst peers? And what about those occasional times where you might really be able to provide a service during your “slow years” by flying a jet again? Most importantly, If you were calling yourself an expert and taking the witness stand against “negligent” pilots, then you would likely maintain your credentials in the highest order. And I doubt you would go on record as saying “flying jets scares me.” Insert the phrase “general anesthesia” for “jets” in this analogy, and you’ll have to scratch your head in amazement at Staley’s logic. Most likely, the truth of this story is deeper than he wants to let on.

Indeed, lingual nerves are sometimes injured due to negligence. And sometimes, they are injured in spite of the greatest possible care being delivered by the dentist. During surgical procedures, it is often impossible to tell exactly what action or combination of actions led to the nerve being injured. For better or worse, injury to the lingual nerve and the resulting symptoms are shrouded in mystery. Yet Staley is on record as saying “significant permanent injury to the lingual nerve is always a result of negligence.” This is a lie. It is completely disrespectful to all of those suffering as seen on the Injection Injury Forum. It is said in complete disregard of decades of anatomical studies and surgical experience. It is said for one benefit and one benefit only- the income and ego of RW Staley.

The next time RW Staley speaks of lingual nerve issues in public, he should be made to wear a pointed hat.

SSA


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R.W. Staley
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Jun-21-05, 02:26 PM (CST)
 
265. "RE: Kerrie"
In response to message #264
 
   Rather than respond to slanderous rantings (actually libelous since it is written) may I try to educate you with some FACTS:

1.) On any given day thousands and thousands of mandibular blocks are given, and the vaste majority are given for something other than third molar removal (90%, 95% ??). Statistically then, one would predict that the vaste majority of lingual nerve injuries would be associated with non-third molar procedures. In FACT, the exact opposite is true. The vaste majority of injuries are associated with third molar removal. Therefore, one must assume, statistically, that the surgery is the culpret and not the injection.

2.) Read the literature...there have been 448 articles written on lingual nerve/inferior alveolar nerve injuries (not all in English).
Find out what is described when reanastomosis surgery is performed. What is found, anatomically. Where it is performed. Read Zuniga, Pogrel, Meyers.

3.) There is a whole different area of injection damage caused by Septocaine...definitely a growing concern. Not what I am involved with.

4.) ACCORDING TO THE LITERATURE.... the vaste majority of needle trauma injuries resolve within several days to several months, and are not anesthesias, or severe parasthesias/dysesthesias.

5.) The legal standard is "more probable than not". "What, more probably than not, caused the injury"? ACCORDING TO THE LITERATURE,
the most common cause of lingual nerve injury is laceration by a dental instrument. Is having a lingual nerve cut by a dental instrument negligence?

6.) You have no idea of the types of cases I have been involved with, what the facts were, what the outcome was, what the patient was experiencing. Stop the cyber-babble and learn the subject so you can debate it intelligently rather than attempt to character assasinate me in the minds of the very limited number of participants actually reading your slams. Are you comfortable with your attempted cyber-anonominity?


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Guest
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Jun-22-05, 08:03 AM (CST)
 
266. "RE: Kerrie"
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   Dr. Staley-
KUDOS TO YOU! Enough said.


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Carol46614
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Jun-23-05, 07:29 AM (CST)
 
267. "RE: Kerrie, actually another issue"
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   Dr. Staley,

Kudos to you. Most cowards and people who don't know what they are talking about stand behind anonominity.

Anyway, my question is in regard to your #3 and #4 statement. I was injured by an injection over 2 years ago and I am still in constant, sometimes excurating pain. There are days when I just want to get it over with. My dentist, through her insurance company, said she did not "breach the standard of care" therefore they would not do anything for me. I could not find an attorney to take my case because it was deemed too hard to prove. So here I am , two and 1/2 years later considering other "options" to stop the pain.

I know this is not your area but can you give me some insight as to what exactly happened and what I can do now?


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Dr. B
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Jun-23-05, 08:48 AM (CST)
 
268. "RE: Kerrie, actually another issue"
In response to message #267
 
   I persoanlly believe that there can be negligence in injectional injury and have won several good settlements in such cases. It is probably too late for you legally. For treatment, a neurologist would be the best bet.


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Kerrie
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Jun-23-05, 10:52 AM (CST)
 
269. "RE: Kerrie"
In response to message #265
 
   Dr. Staley-
Thank-you for taking the time to set the record straight. I know you have better things to do with your valuable time.
Take care,
Kerrie


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SSA
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Jun-25-05, 06:17 PM (CST)
 
270. "RE: Kerrie; Staley, you're wrong"
In response to message #265
 
   Give me the reference to whatever article, or articles, that leads you to your conclusion (and I quote):

"ACCORDING TO THE LITERATURE,
the most common cause of lingual nerve injury is laceration by a dental instrument."

This MAY have been the findings of a paticular study in which severely injured lingual nerves were directly inspected during attempted correction. But anyone familier with the interpretation of data would realize that by its very nature, such a study (or studies) pre-selects for the worst injuries. Obviously, most any patient that would choose to attempt surgical correction would have a very seriously injured nerve. You cannot (unless you're purposefully attempting to mislead) extend the findings from a limited study like this TO ALL LINGUAL NERVE INJURIES!!!
Shame on you, Staley, for trying to make a mockery of those that found their conclusions on science and experience.
In your mind you connect dots that do not exist.

Moreover, what the literature cannot tell us (but a broad range of surgical experience can) is every bit as important in the REAL WORLD, as the excellent studies by Dr. Pogrel, Drs. Pichler and Beirne, Dr. Gregg, Dr. LaBanc, etc. None of these fine surgeons / scientists is in agreement with you.


SSA


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271. "RE: Kerrie; Staley, you're wrong"
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   You both have made your points. Agree to disagree and end this.


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SSA
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