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Kristie
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Nov-03-03, 08:19 AM (CST)
 
"Vision loss"
 
   Has anyone heard of damage done to the optic nerve? I had a root canal and a crown put on a year ago on the left side of my mouth. A week and a half after the procedure, I had an awful headache and lost my vision. I recovered most of my vision after 3 months. Six months later I went to have another crown on the right side. (The procedure was never finished and I have a filling in the tooth) I lost the vision in my right eye 2 weeks after the procedure.
I can't seem to get an answer to this problem. I have been told this vision loss could be an early sign of multiple sclerosis (MS). I do not have MS at this time. I have no other symptoms. My neurologist has said that the dental procedure *may* have caused this, but it is hard to say. I am so frustrated. I think it is weird and suspicious that I lost my vision after a dental procedure.
Has anyone ever heard of this?


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Vision loss Joanne Nov-03-03 1
  RE: Vision loss Dr. B Nov-03-03 2
     RE: Vision loss Kristie Nov-04-03 3
         RE: Vision loss Dr. B Nov-04-03 4
             RE: Vision loss Snowflake Jul-23-04 5
                 RE: Vision loss Joanne Jul-24-04 6
                 RE: Vision loss Dr. B Jul-25-04 7
                     RE: Vision loss Snowflake Aug-04-04 8
                         RE: Vision loss CJ Aug-05-04 9
                             RE: Vision loss snowflake Aug-16-04 10
                                 RE: Vision loss snowflake Sep-04-04 11
                                     RE: Vision loss CJ Sep-04-04 12
             RE: Vision loss BK Jan-16-05 27
  RE: Vision loss CarlaD Sep-10-04 13
     RE: Vision loss Snowflake Sep-23-04 14
         RE: Vision loss DrCSK Sep-23-04 15
             RE: Vision loss Dr. B Sep-23-04 16
                 RE: Vision loss CJ Sep-23-04 17
                     RE: Vision loss Dr. B Sep-23-04 18
                         RE: Vision loss DrCSK Sep-26-04 19
                             RE: Vision loss CJ Sep-26-04 20
                                 RE: Vision loss DrCSK Sep-27-04 21
                                 RE: Vision loss Dr. B Sep-27-04 22
                                     RE: Vision loss CJ Sep-27-04 24
                                 RE: Vision loss reesatay Sep-27-04 23
                                     RE: Vision loss reesatay Sep-27-04 25
                                         RE: Vision loss CJ Sep-27-04 26
         RE: Vision loss greg Jan-17-05 28

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Joanne
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Nov-03-03, 09:01 AM (CST)
 
1. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #0
 
   Wow, Kristie,
I have no idea, but I am so sorry for what has happened. The only thing I can recall is that someone else on the board posted a few months earlier with a similar experience, you could do a search with 'vision, optic nerve, eye' I think some of those words were used.
Did your neurologist give a more detailed explanation? It seems too much of a coincidence to have this happen twice.
Have they done proper eye tests, MRI etc - sometimes there are clots in the blood vessels behind the eye, very serious. Have you seen other specialists, and opthamologist (sp)??
I hope you find some answers to the soon and find yourself healing soon.
Joanne


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Dr. B
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Nov-03-03, 10:04 AM (CST)
 
2. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #0
 
   Which tooth was worked on and where was the injection? Front or middle or back of your mouth?


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Kristie
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Nov-04-03, 07:41 AM (CST)
 
3. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #2
 
   The molars on each side of the upper jaw. #19 and #33.(I think) The injection was given in the front. I did require more anesthetic halfway into the procedure. (removing the filling)


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Dr. B
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Nov-04-03, 06:33 PM (CST)
 
4. "RE: Vision loss"
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   I really do not see any reason for this to have occured. Injections for those teeth are farther back than could possibly do damage to the sye, which in of itself is practically unheard of.


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Snowflake
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Jul-23-04, 03:00 PM (CST)
 
5. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #4
 
   Seven months ago, I had periodontal surgery on the right hand side of my face. I expected to have some pain and discomfort. After a few days the pain was unbareable and I thought my face was going to explode and was in constant pain. I went back to the doctor because I knew something was wrong. The doctor was leaving for Christmas vacation the next day and was not happy to see me. He quickly looked at the bandages and said the area looked clean and it was common to experience increased pain up the 7-8 days after surgery. Go home and relax. He gave me a prescription for pain killers and sent me home. Two days later I finally fell asleep and I woke up blind but had no more pain. I have been to various doctors who have done all kinds of tests. To date, all test prove that I am in better health than most athletes. I have been told that a blood clot was lodged in the optic nerve causing permanent blindness. I will probably lose all the teeth in the area that the doctor worked on. I cannot seem to get any support against the periodontist. Doctors stick together.

I have read articles and know of 1 other case where this has happened. It is rare but it happens.


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Joanne
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Jul-24-04, 09:29 PM (CST)
 
6. "RE: Vision loss"
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   Snowflake.
There are no words to describe what has happened to you. I am so sorry. Thank you for sharing this on the board, you never know what will happen next here.
I hope that someday you re-gain the vision in your eye.
Prayers for healing,
Joanne


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Dr. B
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Jul-25-04, 08:32 AM (CST)
 
7. "RE: Vision loss"
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   Snowflake,I can understand this possibly happening with the perio surgery rather than a posterior injection. Did you have the records reviewed by an outside expert? Did you get a lawyer? Don't expect doc's in the same community to say something, it won't happen.


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Snowflake
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Aug-04-04, 04:37 PM (CST)
 
8. "RE: Vision loss"
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   I have undergone many tests. The doctors will say one thing to my face and another on paper. It is only my family doctor that believes in what I say is true.

Most doctors say "you have one eye so what is the problem" compassionate they are not.

I even have proof that the periodontist sawed the sides off of more than half my teeth but the doctors won't comment on paper.

Any suggestions.


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CJ
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Aug-05-04, 11:00 AM (CST)
 
9. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #8
 
   Snowflake,
That is horrible what happened to you. Have you had an MRI done? Or a CT scan? Just a suggestion, but could you go out of the area near you, and get another opinion and possibly they would help you? I agree with Dr B that dentists or doctors in the same area will usually not speak out against one another either.


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snowflake
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Aug-16-04, 03:49 PM (CST)
 
10. "RE: Vision loss"
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   I have had all kinds of tests and will be going to have an MRI in September.

I have tried to find information on vision loss from periodontal surgery. Any idea where I can find more information.


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snowflake
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Sep-04-04, 09:27 AM (CST)
 
11. "RE: Vision loss"
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   Kristie,

Your doctors say that you have early signs of MS. Do you have a lot of silver fillings (amalgam). During my research I keep coming back to silver fillings being related to MS along with other illness caused by amalgam.

Amalgam contains 50% mercury and you could be suffering from mercury poisoning. It is hard to distinguish between MS and mercury poisioning and I read several pieces that indicate after the removal of amalgam 76% of MS patients improve. Women seem to be more affected then men and if there is a history of environmental allergies including allergies to metal you are more likely to be affected.

Do you have a history of allergies. I do and my dad was allergic to metal. I know my doctor keeps insisting that I have the fillings removed and directly afterward having a vitamin C drip (reduces swelling and fights infection) but when I ask questions, I never get a direct answer.

The periodontist cut into all my amalgam fillings. He even commented during the surgery about the amalgam discolouring my gums and the inside of my mouth (dental tatoos). A week later I am blind in one eye and now I have problems with my speech slirring and electrical shocks going through my arms. I am also having problems breathing because there is a heaviness in my chest. I had none of this before.

I reside in Canada. Where do you live. I spoke to another girl that has distorted vision after having a root canal. She has a lot of amalgam fillings and her doctor thinks she may have early MS.

Research MS and amalgam and I think you will find it very interesting.

I would like to hear from you.


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CJ
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Sep-04-04, 01:37 PM (CST)
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12. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #11
 
   Snowflake,
Have you seen your records to see what kind of anesthetic was used on you? Do a search here under Septacaine/Articaine.

CJ


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BK
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Jan-16-05, 11:57 PM (CST)
 
27. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #4
 
   >I really do not see any reason for this to have occured.
>Injections for those teeth are farther back than could
>possibly do damage to the sye, which in of itself is
>practically unheard of.

If the aspiration does not practice in the injections or aspiration be just in one surface( aspiration should be at least in two surfaces with a needle not thiner than G. 25),there will be probability of injecting into blood vessals.If the vessal be an artery and takes the medicine into eyes, there will be danger of vision loss.
But in our case the problem happened two times and it looks a little bit unusual. I think there should be some medical or psychalogical problem.


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CarlaD
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Sep-10-04, 01:29 AM (CST)
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13. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #0
 
   Kristie,

I am up reading trying to find some suggestions on how to deal with my pain and came across this.

How has this progressed for you?

Have you received any answers from your doctors?

This is absolutely terrible.

CarlaD


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Snowflake
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Sep-23-04, 03:48 PM (CST)
 
14. "RE: Vision loss"
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   I have just received the results of my MRI and everything is normal and I do not have MS as they suspected. None of the doctors know why I went blind and seem to say this "JUST HAPPENS". I would like to know how many 39 year old women go blind 7 days after dental work.

I believe I have mercury poisoning, since the periodontist cut the inside edges off most of my teeth that had amalgam fillings. This would explain the tremors I have been having in my arms, slurred speech, headaches, fatique, insomia etc.

I have just had a mercury test to see what my levels are. I have also seen a BIOLOGICAL DENTIST who can safely remove my amalgam (silver fillings) after I go through detox.

I have met approximately 12 people to date that have been diaginosed with mercury poison due to having exposure to mercury fillings.

Kristie, how many filling due you have and please investigate this idea. I am really concerned since I haven't seen you respond.


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DrCSK
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Sep-23-04, 04:17 PM (CST)
 
15. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #14
 
   Did your "Biological Dentist" tell you about the mercury poisoning or is this something you came up with on your own?

There is no biological dentistry specialty endorsed by the ADA. And if he is the one telling you this even if your mercury screen comes back normal then I hope you look elsewhere for your dental care.

This guy just wants to change your fillings at a premium rate to composites. Waste of money. Composites have there own problems.


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Dr. B
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Sep-23-04, 05:48 PM (CST)
 
16. "RE: Vision loss"
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   I am in total agreement with CSK.


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CJ
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Sep-23-04, 10:26 PM (CST)
 
17. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #16
 
   Dr. B or Dr. CSK,
Would you mind giving the pro's and con's of using either? I will be going back to a new dentist soon. I think the white ones have a more natural look and I've been told they do not crack the tooth, but bond to it.
CJ


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Dr. B
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Sep-23-04, 11:09 PM (CST)
 
18. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #17
 
   The resins/composites leak more and allow bacteria to enter the teeth and get decay more easily. I still have amalgam fillings in my own mouth. The only advantage to the composites are they look better.


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DrCSK
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Sep-26-04, 04:11 PM (CST)
 
19. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #18
 
   Composites have come along way since their inception but usually do not last as long as amalgams.

As far as the part about breaking teeth amalgams can break teeth if the tooth structure has been significantly weakened due to the size of the filling. Because it is a metal it tends to expand and contract to heat and cold and over time could break an undermined cusp.

As Dr B stated the margins on composite teeth break down faster.

I would recommend composites for vanity but only if the restoration was small. Most composites still lack the strength to withstand significant biting forces. You would have to see which composite the dentist was going to use.

As far as scare dentistry goes there is no proof that amalgams cause any disease processes. And if you want me to use scare tactics against composites then heres one for you. Composites are made up of a substance called BisGMA. This substance gives off the female hormone estrogen in minute quantities. I guess a scare dentist would say you have an increased chance of miscarriages or breast cancer.

That said both are safe for use. I have both amalgams and composites in my mouth and I believe all are safe. I dont believe that amalgam causes MS.


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CJ
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Sep-26-04, 09:11 PM (CST)
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20. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #19
 
   Thank you both for your replies. I was also wondering about root canals. I have heard that they can be a place where bacteria can multiply and because the nerve is dead, you don't know that there is infection there. I have 3 root canals now and sometimes wonder if I should have the teeth pulled.

CJ


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DrCSK
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Sep-27-04, 05:38 AM (CST)
 
21. "RE: Vision loss"
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   I believe the success rate for endo is around 90% after a root canal.

If the root canal fails then a retreatment is first attempted.

I would not get the teeth extracted. Unless the tooth shows clinical or radiographic signs of being nonrestorable there is no reason to extract the tooth.


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Dr. B
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Sep-27-04, 06:50 AM (CST)
 
22. "RE: Vision loss"
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   If a root canal is done right, there will be no infection in the bone.
If you have any doubts about them, have them evaluated by an endodontist. Do not have the teeth removed for no reason.


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CJ
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Sep-27-04, 10:35 AM (CST)
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24. "RE: Vision loss"
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   One of the root canals on the x-ray, the one that was done over 14 years ago, shows that two of the roots were not drilled completely down to the end of the canal. I have pain above this area under my eye sometimes and it sometimes developes into a headache. The dentist said they could redo it but since it was in there that long it probably wasn't a problem. If they redo it, I need a new crown too.

CJ


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reesatay
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Sep-27-04, 10:15 AM (CST)
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23. "RE: Vision loss"
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   CJ,

I had a root canalled tooth for over 30 years and never had a problem with it. If they are done properly there shouldn't be a problem. The only thing that happened with this tooth was I cracked the tooth's root 2 years ago and then had to have it pulled. My dentist told me that old root canaled teeth can become brittle and break like mine did.

If you pulled these teeth then what would you have?... empty spaces in your mouth that you would have to deal with. You would either need a bridge or implants or denture. Each of these treatments have there draw backs too.

I now have a dental implant and I can tell you I would rather have my root canalled tooth back anytime. As good as implants are they don't feel like the real thing.

Implants feel like a rock compared to a real tooth. Real teeth have a cushion between the bone and teeth, but implants do not. I never realized this until I could felt the difference. It takes awhile to get use to the difference.

I don't have a bridge so I can't give you any idea of what that feels like. You would have to have teeth drilled down and capped to hold the bridge. So you would lose your root canaled teeth and then have to damage your other teeth to fix the empty spaces. There also would be bone loss.

You could also can wear a denture and or partial to fill in the spaces. You would have to deal with this slipping out of place and bone loss.

I wouldn't have any teeth pulled unless absolutely necessary. Your own teeth are the best even if they have a rooth canal. Follow up closely with your dentist and there shouldn't be problems. Go every 6 months for cleanings and a dental exam to make sure all is good.

"T"


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reesatay
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Sep-27-04, 11:41 AM (CST)
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25. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #23
 
   PS... I sometimes have an upper back tooth that will hurt and the dentist can't find anything wrong with it. This aching would come and go. I finally pin pointed when this happens and that is when my allergies/sinus/ear are acting up. Once I get my allergy symptoms under control the hurting tooth stops hurting. Upper teeth are close to the sinuses and my experience has shown they effect each other.

I kept going back to my dentist for this tooth and could never find out why it hurt. I thought of having it pulled too, because it would get tender and ache. It hurt so something must be wrong with the tooth, right? Wrong? If your teeth are upper teeth take a look at this possibility.

I'm just mentioning this as a possiblity because of my experience. Hopefully yours is something simple like this.

You could also be grinding these teeth and that can make them hurt. One more experience of mine.

"T"


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CJ
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Sep-27-04, 12:39 PM (CST)
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26. "RE: Vision loss"
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   "T",
Thank you for your reply. Yes sometimes I grind my teeth too. I hope that is all it is as I really can't afford a root canal redo. I am just concerned about bacterial infection or something since the area under the eye hurts. By the way, it is the opposite side of my injury area. So I definately want to clear it up somehow. Most all of my sinus problems are on the side of the injury. I never had sinus problems before my injury.
It is an upper tooth in the back and my bite is off some so maybe you are right about the grinding or pressure on the tooth. I hope that is all it is.

CJ


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greg
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Jan-17-05, 11:57 PM (CST)
 
28. "RE: Vision loss"
In response to message #14
 
   Nobody has EVER been diagnosed with mercury poisoning due to silver amalgam. There are those who want to blame evry ailment of unknown origin on the mercury in silver amalgam. The fact is the mercury is largely trapped in the filling material and the amount given off is far below the threshold level for toxicity. also, it is of a form that is not absorbed well by the human body. The mercury in seafood is much more toxic. I'm really sorry about what happened to your eye but you're wasting your time and you're going to get taken advantage of by some unethical dentist. The science simply does not support your claims. Dr. M


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