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pim
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Mar-12-08, 10:45 AM (CST)
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   I am still hoping that you will point me to the information on the web that indicates that you can not make or use Sargenti in Canada. At one time you asked how you could help me. This is it.

Thank you.
www.sargentipaste.org


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  RE: MaverickDMD MaverickDMD Mar-14-08 1
     RE: MaverickDMD charlottefr Mar-14-08 2
         RE: MaverickDMD pim Mar-15-08 3
             RE: MaverickDMD charlottefr Mar-16-08 4
                 RE: MaverickDMD pim Mar-17-08 5
  RE: MaverickDMD pim Mar-20-08 6
     RE: MaverickDMD charlottefr Apr-21-08 7
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MaverickDMD
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Mar-14-08, 00:32 AM (CST)
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1. "RE: MaverickDMD"
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   I don't have any hard evidence to give you. I first learned about the horrors of Sargenti in 3rd year dental school in '91. At that point it was extolled to us that using this would void our malpractice insurance. I'm sure that this admonition is true but I'm unsure where one would find evidence of this. I'm in Canada, so our rules are much more strict and regulated in dentistry than in the US. You might try the Canadian Dental Journal website. I think it's cda-adc.ca; this would be a good start. Let me know if this brings resistance or frustration. I can access the inner workings of this site as a member if I need to draw out any particular clauses. Most of this site's info probably doesn't pertain to insurance information although we all tend to use the same company's coverage here. Give it a try and report back here if you need further help.


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charlottefr
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Mar-14-08, 02:57 AM (CST)
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2. "RE: MaverickDMD"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-14-08 AT 03:40 AM (CST)
 
pim, wouldn't a malpractice insurance policy manual list the use of Sargenti (or Sargenti-like) paste as an instance under which malpractice insurance would be voided?

If this substance has been banned in Canada and is not to be used by any dental professionals or to be made there...then I would think the malpractice insurance company would include this info to its clients because of the possibility of future lawsuits against a dentist who might choose to use the paste?

I've looked up some malpractice insurance application forms online, and found 3 so far..all from the USA. Each one asks if using Sargenti technique or N2 Paste with formaldehyde is a procedure performed by the applicant.

Here's an example..see question #11

http://pieutah.org/documentation/pie_application.pdf


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pim
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Mar-15-08, 09:55 PM (CST)
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3. "RE: MaverickDMD"
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   Some, but not all, malpractice insurers in the US have exclusions against the use of Sargenti paste. Those that specifically ask if it is used likely do or increase the cost to compensate for the possibility of a future claim. Since history has shown that most Sargenti using dentists don't disclose the use to their patients, including ones that are injured, many cases go unreported and unlitigated.

General public and our medical community needs to be aware that it is still in use today, even if only by a small minority of general dentists. Injuries can happen and are often devastating. Not all properly done root canals with Sargenti cause serious problems but scientific literature shows some do. Always ask your dentist doing a root canal if they are putting anything that contains formaldehyde, liquid or powder, in your mouth. If they say yes, go else where. They are playing root canal roulette with their patients and you don't want to "win" a life alternating medical condition.

www.sargentipaste.org


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charlottefr
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Mar-16-08, 00:56 AM (CST)
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4. "RE: MaverickDMD"
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   pim, I'm going to Canada in a few weeks...I'll go visit my former dentist there and ask if he or any of his partners knows whether or not there is a warning against using Sargenti paste and if it is still being used. I have family in Canada and I want to know if it is or not. At least I can now advise them to ask their dentists about formaldehyde products before they have any root canal work done in the future!


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pim
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Mar-17-08, 06:20 PM (CST)
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5. "RE: MaverickDMD"
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   I'd appreciate it if you would repost and tell me what they said. My bet...."I didn't know anyone used that stuff anymore". They do, in the Good Ole USA.


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pim
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Mar-20-08, 03:41 PM (CST)
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6. "RE: MaverickDMD"
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   O Canada!!! The US could learn something from their northern neighbor.

According to Health Canada, "...Since Sargenti Paste would most likely be considered to be a Class III medcial device here in Canada, the manufacturer would require a Class III medical device licence in order to legally sell it in Canada. Upon search through our database of licensed devices, Sargenti Paste was not found and therefore cannot be sold legally in Canada (assuming a Class III classification).

Shame on the USA.


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charlottefr
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Apr-21-08, 09:08 AM (CST)
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7. "RE: MaverickDMD"
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   Hi pim..you've probably seen these links before.

"In 2004, the Royal College of Dental Surgeons of Ontario reminded its members that Health Canada had not authorized N2 for sale in Canada and that the use of paraformaldehyde-containing root-canal materials would be considered substandard practice.

The warning came in response to a flyer from a Toronto-area dental supply company that had advertised the sale of N2 Universal root canal cement. After the College complained, Health Canada investigated and the company stopped selling the material . (Health Canada's regulatory authority is similar to that of the FDA.)"

http://www.dentalwatch.org/questionable/sargenti/overview.html

http://www.dentalwatch.org/questionable/sargenti/rcdso.pdf


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Apr-21-08, 10:41 AM (CST)
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8. "RE: MaverickDMD"
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   Know them well and I'm glad to see you know them too. You are one more person who now knows to ask the right question..."Are you putting anything with formaldehyde (powder or liquid) into my mouth?"


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