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Laurah
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"Another swollen gland"
 
   Anyone keep having reoccurring swollen lymph glands in the neck from the lingual nerve damage? Visited the urgent care today because of swollen gland, ear pain and throat pain on the side of injury? This has been the second time since my injury. I also have the swollen sublingual gland under the tongue that has not resolved. Have been dealing with this gland for 8 weeks. My blood pressure has also been extremely high since this all happened. Never has high blood pressure in my life. I'm starting to believe that Septocaine could be playing a key role in my symptoms. The blood pressure keeps rising. I normally have always had low blood pressure 110/70-80. Now, today it was 145/90. A few weeks ago it was 148/85. Hoping if this nightmare ever ends that it will return to normal. Anyone else experience high blood pressure from this drug?

I don't know why all of this is happening on my injured side and I'm really sad. I have been crying all day because it hurts along with my mouth. The Urgert cared doctor gave me Cefdinir (generic for omnicef) for the gland and throat. And I called the Endo today and he wanted to prescride darvocet for mouth pain, but I told him I wanted to try Motrin 800 first. I will probably be calling for the stronger stuff. Has anyone tried Darvocet? Thanks. Hope everyone is having a better day than me!!!!

Laura


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  RE: Another swollen gland charlottefr Mar-12-08 1
     RE: Another swollen gland Laurah Mar-12-08 5
  RE: Another swollen gland bowho Mar-12-08 2
     RE: Another swollen gland Laurah Mar-12-08 6
         RE: Another swollen gland bowho Mar-13-08 7
  RE: Another swollen gland Dr B Mar-12-08 3
     RE: Another swollen gland Laurah Mar-12-08 4
         RE: Another swollen gland pain247 Mar-26-08 8
             RE: Another swollen gland MaverickDMD Apr-02-08 9
                 RE: Another swollen gland pain247 Apr-21-08 10
                     RE: Another swollen gland edgaras Apr-21-08 11
                         RE: Another swollen gland edgaras Apr-21-08 12
                             RE: Another swollen gland edgaras Apr-21-08 13
                     RE: Another swollen gland CJ Apr-22-08 14
                         RE: Another swollen gland CJ Apr-22-08 15
                             RE: Another swollen gland Laurah Apr-22-08 16
                                 RE: Another swollen gland CJ Apr-23-08 17
                                     RE: Another swollen gland Laurah Apr-23-08 18
                                         RE: Another swollen gland CJ Apr-24-08 19
                                             RE: Another swollen gland MaverickDMD Apr-25-08 20
                                             RE: Another swollen gland reesatay Apr-25-08 23
                                             RE: Another swollen gland MaverickDMD Apr-25-08 21
                                             RE: Another swollen gland CJ Apr-25-08 22

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charlottefr
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1. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   Oh Laura..I'm so sorry you're having a really rough day...I wish I could give you some advice but I don't know what to offer. All I know is that with my IAN injury it's also felt like my glands have been swollen on the left side from time to time. I remember going to the doctor after 3 weeks and he checked my glands and thought I had another infection and prescribed more anti-biotics. Who knows if he was right or not?? This is what's so maddening about these types of injuries..so many different symptoms..and so many different drugs. Honestly, I understand why you're crying and feeling sad. I've cried too...I think a person has to from time to time just to let the frustration out, if nothing else. I hope someone comes on the forum soon who can answer your questions...I don't know much about high blood pressure, but can stress cause it to get higher? Mine is always low...too low sometimes. Anyway, take care, ok? Do whatever you can to relax and take your mind off your symptoms for awhile...


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Laurah
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5. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   Dear Charlotte:

You are so kind to reply. We are both dealing with some difficult injuries right now and they sometimes can get the best of us. So strange with the gland thing ... I've been on two rounds of antibiotics because they thought an infection also. My docter said if it's not cleared up in 10 days he will do blood work. Hopefully that will give a clue to what is maybe going on.

The symptoms we are experiencing are crazy ... changing from hour to hour and I hate the drugs.

At the very beginning I was a basket case and then I finally got strong but today it got the best of me. I was really feeling better last week and then all of a sudden non-stop burning for two days now. I have pain in my ear and throat. The burning is the worse it has been so far. Usually, I will have it for awhile and then it will leave, but for some reason I think it's here to stay for awhile. It's awful. My lips and top of my mouth are also burning.

The docter said today that pain and stress can raise the blood pressure. Hopefully, he will put me on something next week for it. It's dangerous to have it so high for almost three months.

Trying to relax and keep my mind busy but it's hard. Hope you are recovering well and take care.

Laura


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bowho
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Mar-12-08, 02:40 PM (CST)
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2. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   hi laura, sorry to hear your not having a good day...remember one thing..most of us here have been where you are...the pain can raise your blood pressure...along with all the drugs i was on, blood pressure med was included..i never had that before and i dont now and im not on meds for it anymore..i hope you were put on meds for that ?? high blood pressure is considered the silent killer..darvocet may give you more relief than motrin...percocet is stronger yet... hope you can find some relief...hang in there..your family doc should be able to help somewhat..


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Laurah
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6. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   It's so comforting to know that I have such caring friends to share my story with ... you have been a lifesaver. Thanks!!! Noone understands this except the one's who have experienced this horror.

The docter said today that the pain, medicine, and the stress of it all could be raising the blood pressure. He hasn't put me on a blood pressure medicine but I will be seeing him next week for blood work if this gland doesn't go down.

My endo said to call him if I needed the Darvocet and I will probably be doing just that. I have been experiencing the worst burning pain so far the past two days. It has been non-stop torture. It use to come and go and now it doen't want to let up. I'm kinda getting scared that maybe something is wrong. Most of the posts experience this non-stop early on and then it leaves. Why am I experiencing it now? I had it in the beginning but it wasn't ever constant. Maybe I have an infection. My lips and top of my mouth have also been burning. What medication would help for the burning?

Thanks for listening. I really lost it today. I hope tomorrow is a better day ... pain wise. Hope your doing well. Have a good night.

Laura


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bowho
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7. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   hi laura,
i hope today your feeling better...i still get the burning..only mine is just the tongue where its numb...and its not everyday anymore..ice works good for momentary relief...and watch what you eat..cut out the spicy food..thats what i do...no hot pepper cheese for me these days...and i used to love the hot stuff..but now i know it just creates my tongue to burn..i cant say this will help in your case,but maybe...


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3. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   Nerve injury should not create swollen glands, has an oral surgeon ruled out infection? If so, you should see an ENT.

Dr B


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Laurah
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4. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   Dear Dr. B:

Could an ENT check for infection with a blood test or do I first need to see the Oral Surgeon? Will be visiting my ENT at Mayo Clinic next week.

Thanks for your advice.

Laura


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pain247
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8. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   YES, I also had very swollen glands under my chin on both sides for about 10 months after my IAN nerve was injured and in constant pain!!!!!!! I also had the ER tell me I had high blood pressure, which I never had before and it's gone now. I also had heart palpitations (felt like my heart was stopping every now and then), my ears kept blocking up, and my neck was VERY stiff (all 3 of these were just for the first month. Many of these symptoms are listed on the Septodont website as side effects (makers of septocaine/articaine). I even went to an Ear nose throat doctor because my glands were so swollen for almost a year, but they had no clue. It all makes sense to me because one of the theories is that septocaine is very "neurotoxic" and when this more neurotoxic drug (more neurotoxic than lidocaine) gets into a nicked nerve it causes lots of neurotoxic problems. Plus you can find on google that there are studies in Europe that show that many people can't process this drug as quickly out of the body. It all makes sense since many of these things ARE listed as proven side effects on the septocaine pamphlet and website.


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MaverickDMD
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9. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   I don't think you'll find any proof of any of your claims, particularly in science, but for certain, something's altered your perception of reality.


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pain247
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10. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   Here is the link for the Septocaine adverse list pamphlet:

www.fda.gov/medwatch/safety/2006/Mar%20PIs/Septocaine_PI.pdf

Click on this link and scroll down to see pages 8 and 9. It clearly lists lots of our problems that we have discussed on this board wondering if they were also reactions to Septocaine. Here were some of the ones that I personally experienced in addition to my chronic nerve pain.
-palpitation 1% (they must mean heart palpitations, which I had)
-earache 1%
-neck pain (under 1%)
-swelling 2.7%


To Maverick DMD:

Are you saying that the fda and the Septocaine pamphlet has incorrect data????????????????????? Are you saying I read it wrong???? Septocaine's adverse reactions list does list what I said it lists. Well here is the FDA link with the Septocaine pamphlet!!!! I thought you agreed with Malamed's statistics. Well, this data on the Septocaine pamphlet came from his trial data and conclusions!!! How dare you insult me that my brain isn't working properly!!!!! Personal insults should never be tolerated (especially from a DMD) and you should be banned from this board. I can read a pamphlet just like you can and I suggest you reread it over and over!!!! How dare you!!!! Get off this board. You have not lived the nightmare of 24/7 pain for years that this drug causes!!! A pain so severe that it causes some people to consider suicide (and I know about one person who did commit suicide from it). You owe me a huge apology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did read this pamphlet correctly and you know it!!!! It does list all my complications, in addition to concluding that many of these, including the parathesia complications, are 1% or greater. Thus, I was not the only one with these other complications and it was well documented in this study!!!!! These complications were documented by Malamed. Are you saying he was wrong and so were all the people in the study? Are you saying that Malamed and all the people in the study must have something wrong with their brains (with altered perceptions of reality)!!!! I will say it again. You owe me a BIG apology!!!!!!! By the way, I can read very well since I have a doctorate degree myself!! Who is paying you? Why are you here? Do not personally attack me again. Try to stick to the data published by the FDA and Septocaine, which clearly does not support your arguments!!! I noticed the Septodont website no longer allows people online see the pamphlet. I wonder why..... The truth can't be hidden forever (the pamphlet is in every box and on the fda site), and the truth certainly can't be hidden forever by you bullying me and everyone else on this board!!!!


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edgaras
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11. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   I have same problem with swollen glands - particularly sublingual gland
which just recently became more appearant. I have had light but chronic (I mean everyday) swelling on the tonsils on the painful side. (right side). I am hoping it is just the inflammation... Doctors never paid much attention to that.


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edgaras
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12. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   My PCP did mono test which was negative.


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edgaras
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13. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   I have noticed some of you said blood pressure increase. That's one things that I do not have, but I really try hard to be physically active even if I feel like a wall of concrete due to pain level, I try to get out and move around the gym. And nutrition is something that I struggle with as I have recently experienced significant reduction in appetite and some weights loss (10 lbs).


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CJ
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14. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-22-08 AT 01:39 PM (CST)
 
Pain 247,
You are very much in reality. I too was injured from injections of Septocaine and also the way the dentist administered them also caused damage. You probably won't get an apology from Maverick. It will unfortunately probably have to take him being injured with this himself before he is in reality of the dangers of this anesthetic.
Septodont has LOST two lawsuits that I know of. No I did not sue them, but others have and won. And they also changed the name to Zorcaine now.
Don't let posters like Maverick and others like him who post on this site upset you. They are not here to help. It will most likely take something happening to them to open their eyes.
CJ


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15. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   Also wanted to tell you that several areas of my sinuses on the injured side immediately became inflamed and full of fluid which has not cleared up in 5 years now. Also that side of my neck often has swollen glands. I've been told by several doctors that he probably injected at least once directly into the nerve or nerve ganglion. And Septocaine is extremely neuro toxic.

In one of the lawsuits that I know of, the patient felt really ill after her dental procedure, went to the mall to walk around so she would be around some people, and had a seizure at the mall. I don't know the current status of her health, but she did win one of the largest lawsuits against Septodont.


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Laurah
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16. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   Hello CJ:

I also was injected with Septocaine and have been having several issues as a result of it being put into or near my lingual nerve. Can't find any professional who will say that the drug could be the cause. I have been experiecing swollen glands on the side of my neck which come and go. I also have a swelling on the floor of my mouth under the tongue that is a mystery. Just had an MRI and that shows nothing. I had a CT at end of January and that showed nothing. It hurts now and I have occassional sharp pain in it. The docter's agree that is swollen. One docter thinks it is the submandibular gland and wants to remove and mayo clinic says that it is my sublingual gland. Mayo says that is should go away ... well it has been almost four months. I'm getting pretty agrevated with all of this. I also have high blood pressure still. It is really a coincedance that all of this has occurred after my injury. There has to be some reasonable explanation for these symptoms. I'm not the only one it seems that has some ongoing problems. Also, my blood pressure keeps rising each month. Went to Neuro today and it was 168/110. I always had low blood pressure.

Glad someone went up against Septocaine. I think maybe the FDA needs to look more into this drug.

Do you have lingual nerve damage also? If so how are you doing today?

Take care.

Laura


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17. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   HiLaurah,
It sounds to me like your problems are from the Septocaine. This is based on what I have and am experiencing. I really don't think many doctors are aware of this problem, but I suspect it is going to keep reoccurring until something is done about this. I reported this to the FDA which you could also do if you wanted to. They have to get so many complaints before they will investigate.

I still have pain bad enough today that requires opiates to stop some of the pain. It does not take away all of it. And this is 5 years later. I was unable to do anything for about 4 years after this happened but I've slowly been trying to get more active and working part time now.
CJ


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Laurah
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18. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   Hello CJ:

Sorry to hear that you have suffered as a result of this drug. I'm happy that you do get some relief from your pain medicine. I haven't been experiencing the pain or injury that long (4 months) but I can understand that it is not easy to pull your life together and go on with daily activities in the beginning, and for four years but glad that you are beginning to get your life back.

I don't work at the present moment, thank god!! I'm having a hard time functioning day to day. I haven't been anywhere except to dr's appointments in months. It is truly lonely and depressing sometimes. I have my husband and son but they can only understand so much. This is hard and I feel your pain. I hope that I can get myself together and get some part of my life back. I will be starting on Neorontin 600mg at night and hopefully it will help to some degree with the pain and depression.

I am planning on reporting my injury to the FDA. I have also reported it to Septocaine on their website. A representative called me the next day to hear my story. She heard an earful.

Take care and I wish you many good days ahead. Stay strong and have faith.

Laura


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CJ
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19. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   Hi Laurah,
I hope the same for you, and yours will more than likely not go on for as long as mine has. The dentist in my case used WAY too much anesthetic and in an area it is not supposed to be used in.

I also have reason to believe that two batches of double strength Septocaine were distributed in our country. I cannot give my source for this but that would explain why so many are suffering from bad effects from this. I know of two lawsuits that were won because of over injection of this anesthetic.

This site really has helped me since my injury. Most friends and family members do not really understand the level that this injury can affect one's life.

I tried Nuerontin but could not tolerate the side effects. Don't be alarmed if you have to try several different things before finding something that will help you cope with the pain.

At some point you might want to try and work part time. I find that it helps me to get my focus off of the pain. But it is a real struggle for me. And I work with a signifigant degree of pain. But we do need the money, we've had enormous medical bills from this, I won't go into it, but my health in general has become affected from the side effects from the injury.

Keep us posted how you are doing.

Best Wishes,
CJ


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20. "RE: Another swollen gland"
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   Why would any drug company introduce any new drug into America ever again? You might think your posse of lawyers are doing you a favour but I would beg to differ. Soon enough rather than hearing that patients are flocking to the US for medical care, you'll hear of the reverse. Litigation lawyers have risen drug claims to include perfections; this is of course absurd and as such, given the cost of defending often petty liability claims, new drugs wouldn't dare enter the shark-infested waters of the US. So, good show to you -- your lawyers are fat and happy and your citizens are fat and dying. Who wins here? This is wrong.


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