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charlottefr
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"Avoiding oral nerve injuries"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Dec-21-08 AT 08:02 AM (CST)
 
"Many nerve injuries are avoidable by critical re-evaluation of indications, increased awareness of potential hazards, and modified surgical procedures."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17186310?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=3&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed

"Through proper training and mastery of the surgical approach, every effort should be focused on sparing the lingual nerve, considering its proximity to the field of surgery."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17766086?dopt=AbstractPlus


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  RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries charlottefr Dec-23-08 1
     RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries charlottefr Dec-23-08 2
         RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries charlottefr Jan-16-09 3
             RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries charlottefr Apr-13-09 4
                 RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries Bob Apr-13-09 5
                     RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries charlottefr Apr-18-09 6
                         RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries charlottefr Apr-19-09 7
                             RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries Dr B Apr-19-09 8
                                 CBCT before Dental Implants charlottefr May-18-09 9
                                     General Dentist or OS? charlottefr Nov-07-10 10
                                         CBCT charlottefr Jul-13-11 11

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charlottefr
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1. "RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-23-08 AT 10:11 AM (CST)
 
CONCLUSION: Other than horizontally impacted third molars, a substantial proportion of other impaction types do erupt fully, and radiographically apparent impaction in late adolescence should not be sufficient grounds for their prophylactic removal in the absence of other clinical indications.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11505260?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed

RESULTS: No randomized controlled trials comparing outcome of early removal with that of deliberate retention of asymptomatic third molars were identified. Related to Norwegian practice, the conclusion from UK is more uncertain. Norwegian dentists recommend prophylactic removal of third molars when the likelihood of third molars causing problems in the future is high and the incidence of postoperative complications are low. This includes partially erupted wisdom teeth.

Removal of asymptomatic fully retained wisdom teeth is not recommended.

http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=103140869.html


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charlottefr
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2. "RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries"
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   Conclusions: Lingual and inferior alveolar nerve damage was five times more frequent when lower third molars were removed under general anaesthesia rather than local anaesthesia. This could not be explained in terms of surgical difficulty, pre-operative pathology, age or anatomical position.

http://www.nature.com/bdj/journal/v186/n10/full/4800155a.html


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3. "RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-16-09 AT 07:13 PM (CST)
 
"It has been reported that a higher incidence of postoperative altered nerve sensation occurs in women and diabetic dental implant patients. 9

Many implant surgeons recommend that, to avoid mandibular nerve injury, a 2-mm radiographic space above the mandibular canal should remain after implant placement. 10

There does not seem to be a recommended safe distance to avoid remote nerve compression, which may be defined as nerve compression by an intermediating vector. It is important to consider the cause of an altered sensation after implant placement. This is a case report of a delayed onset paresthesia of partial distribution of the mental nerve, occurring 2 months after dental implant placement in site 20,
with a discussion and speculations as to etiology."

http://www.implantdent.org/pt/re/id/abstract.00008505-200211040-00010.htm;jsessionid=JxrJgt5n939gNn7lSBwGdkyvhhYy7hkNL1QQ9S3W83dnCY6Yjz5G!126031263!181195629!8091!-1

CONCLUSIONS: Transient nerve injury rarely results in legal action. Maximum effort should be devoted to accurately determining the appropriate implant length in the mandible.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12074458?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed


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4. "RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries"
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   The debate is back in the news....
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Two sides quarrel on wisdom teeth
Monday, March 23, 2009 3:04 AM
By Misti Crane

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Just because a wisdom tooth is there doesn't mean it needs to go.

That's the basis of an effort to stop surgeons from removing third molars that haven't caused a problem and aren't about to.

Leading the charge is Dr. Jay W. Friedman, a retired Los Angeles dentist who published a paper on the topic in the American Journal of Public Health and wrote a statement recently adopted by the American Public Health Association.

Friedman says that useless removals are exceedingly common and cost patients, insurers and society far too much money and time. An estimated 10 million wisdom teeth are extracted from about 5 million Americans each year.

Other dental and surgical trade groups are considering their own positions.

"It's a patient's decision," said Dr. Thomas B. Dodson, a surgeon who lobbied against Friedman's efforts and directs the Center of Applied Clinical Investigation at Massachusetts General Hospital.

Dodson, who has a master's degree in public health, belongs to both the public health group and the American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons.

There's no good data on how to predict which teeth will stay put without incident and which will require removal, he said. "They are predictably unpredictable."

That said, his group and Friedman present vastly different numbers.

The surgeons group says that 85 percent of wisdom teeth eventually will need removal; Friedman says 60 percent to 80 percent of extractions aren't necessary.

An independent analysis published this year by the Cochrane Collaboration, a nonprofit group that analyzes the effects of health care, found insignificant evidence to support or undercut routine removal.

Dodson said eliminating prophylactic removal of wisdom teeth would cause pain and suffering down the road and also carries its own costs because those teeth have to be monitored.

Dr. Mark H.K. Greer, who practices dentistry in Hawaii and is president of the American Association of Public Health Dentistry, said his group shares some of the concerns of the Public Health Association and is expected to formalize its stance this year.

Greer said he wants to see more research into the benefits and harm, and his group might call on the federal government to delve into the topic.

He said he appreciates oral surgeons' perspective, but the decision isn't simple and should be based on need. He also said he wants to see better education of patients about their options.

The American Dental Association doesn't have a position but sets guidelines for removal, including when wisdom teeth partially erupt, when there is a chance they will damage adjacent teeth, or when a fluid-filled sac forms around a tooth.

Friedman estimates that Americans would save $2.2 billion a year if dentists and surgeons removed wisdom teeth only when necessary.

He disputes some of the arguments by surgeons about better outcomes in younger patients.

"With any surgical procedure, you want to be fairly certain that you have a good reason for it," Friedman said. "It really is an outrageous situation."

The trouble with that perspective, oral surgeons say, is that wisdom teeth that have yet to cause a problem might one day lead to swelling, cavities and -- much more rarely -- serious problems, including infections and even tumor growth within the sac around the tooth.

By the time a person is 16 to 18 years old, a surgeon usually can tell whether there is room for a wisdom tooth to come in, said Dr. William R. Kaye, an associate professor of and clinical director for oral and maxillofacial surgery at the Ohio State University College of Dentistry.

If there isn't room, it's time to consider taking out the teeth, Kaye said.

Surgery is usually easier the sooner it's done, both from the surgeon's perspective and the patient's, he said.

"Do we know for sure that every wisdom tooth needs to come out? No, we don't," Kaye said. "But we sure know the ones that we wish would have come out."

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/03/23/UNWISE.ART_ART_03-23-09_A1_43DAR59.html?sid=101


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Bob
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Apr-13-09, 09:44 PM (CST)
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5. "RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries"
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   I find it amazing that there are still dentists who claim removing asymptomatic wisdom teeth is a necessary procedure. This is criminal and they want to get the feds to spend our tax dollars to study the situation... unreal! Bravo to Dr. Friedman. Here is a man who KNOWS the truth, has seen and experienced it first hand, and refuses to let greed get in the way of good health care. We need thousands more like him, unfortunately there are far too few.


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charlottefr
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6. "RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries"
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   Hi Bob..I am leaning heavily toward agreeing with Dr. Friedman in this debate. I admire him for going up against a pretty large organization. Dr. Greer (see article above) also at least agrees that extractions of wisdom teeth should be based on need. I don't blame him for calling on the gov't to do the research...I don't think dental boards will do it since this, according to Friedman, would eliminate a 2.2 billion dollar/year procedure if only symptomatic wisdom teeth were removed.

Dr. Dodson's argument is pretty weak, imo. He mentions that there would be costs involved in leaving the teeth in because they would have to be monitored. Wouldn't the wisdom teeth just be monitored along with the rest of a person's teeth at regular checkups? That cost of monitoring surely wouldn't come close to the exorbitant costs of extraction and subsequent possible injuries/complications/meds following surgery.

Dodson says that "it's a patient's decision" ultimately. A poster just described on the forum how she was pressured into having her wisdom tooth extraction by her dentist because she was told of all the things that could go wrong with the tooth in the future. We trust what our dentists say to us. Same old question...how can we make an informed decision without being given complete and true information about the risks involved? Patients need to be informed of both sides of the issue, imo, with equal attention made to both sides.


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7. "RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-19-09 AT 07:34 AM (CST)
 
Decreasing the Probability of Nerve Damage
http://www.ivoralsurg.com/procedures/coronectomy.html
Background
As you can see from our information on wisdom teeth, some wisdom teeth (third molars) grow with the roots in intimate contact with the Inferior Alveolar Nerve. This nerve gives you feeling in the lip, chin, and teeth on one side of the lower jaw. Nerve injury can cause a change in sensation to these structures, including increased or decreased sensation, tingling, pain, or even complete numbness.

Recently, studies have been done the United States on an alternative to complete removal of the wisdom tooth--the coronectomy.

Coronectomy
The procedure known as “coronectomy” (corona=crown; -ectomy=to cut out) involves removing the “crown”, the top or biting portion of the tooth, while leaving the roots in place. The purpose is to decrease the possibility of damaging the nerve when the roots are removed.

What happens to the root?
The expectation after removing the top of the tooth is that the root will remain in place and eventually cover with bone. Roots encased in bone can remain buried in the jaw for years, and rarely cause problems.
The literature and my personal experience has shown that in a significant percentage of cases, these roots begin to drift upward, away from the nerve, before being covered with bone. In my experience, this has been clinically insignificant.

What else could happen to the root?
It would be possible for the root to drift to the surface of the jaw. If this root irritated the tissue or the adjacent tooth, or otherwise became symptomatic, it would necessitate removal. Even though a second surgery would need to be performed, the possibility of nerve damage should be negligible, since the root would have migrated away from it's original resting place next to the nerve. Since the purpose of the coronectomy is to avoid this damage, this goal would have been accomplished, even though a second surgical procedure was necessary to remove the remaining portion of the tooth.

The root tip could also become infected in the post-operative phase and necessitate removal. Antibiotics are normally given pre-operatively or at the time of surgery, as well as post-operatively, to minimize this risk.
http://www.ivoralsurg.com/procedures/coronectomy.html


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8. "RE: Avoiding oral nerve injuries"
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   I frankly do not understand how this can work. If you cut off the crown, you cut into the pulp and the dentin. By cutting into the pulp you woud need a root canal, and they are very very hard to do on third molars. By leaving dentin exposed, you get decay within months, thus probably an abcess.

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9. "CBCT before Dental Implants"
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   Excerpt: “Many patients should not proceed without the benefits of CBCT because it prevents mistakes like drilling at wrong angles and into dental nerves or other vital structures of the jawbone. Given each implant's cost, another $300 - $500 for a CBCT is a moderately priced insurance policy. Dental malpractice attorney Edwin J. Zinman, DDS and JD, says, "If locally available, CBCT is the standard of care for complex cases and particularly the lower posteriors if the implant approaches the inferior alveolar nerve canal." “
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Excerpt: “Because a single implant can cost upwards of $3,000 - $5,000 including restoration with a custom ceramic crown, the dental profession loves the cash flow. Worldwide, dentists are rushing to offer implants. Careful advance preparation protects your dental and financial interests. Each case benefits from patient education (the mission of this Knol). The knowledge enables you to ask good questions and to take advantage of widely available precision technology, which includes three-dimensional or 3D cone beam X-rays for comprehensive diagnosis and safety, and precision computer-manufactured surgical guides that assure proper drilling.

A 3D digital X-ray is the dental equivalent of a CT scan. Dentists call it CBCT, or cone beam computed tomography. CBCT fully reveals your jawbone structure, and also guides the actual surgery with precision that is far superior to 2D dental office X-rays.”

http://knol.google.com/k/murry-shohat/dental-implants/2srzofgvr8kjr/4?domain=knol.google.com&locale=en#


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10. "General Dentist or OS?"
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"Overall, half of our dentist respondents refer out 80% or more third molar extractions"

"General dentists were less polarized. Half refer out 80% or more. On the other hand, one in four (24%) treat most extractions, referring less than 20% of cases."

"Read the dentists' comments (on the link below) for more insight into their thoughts on referring patients out to oral surgeons."

http://www.thewealthydentist.com/SurveyResults/36_WisdomToothReferrals_Results.htm#Comments


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11. "CBCT"
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   Get prepared with CBCT

"Excellent results from increasingly popular but expensive dental implant surgery can be assured. Technology that your dentist should be telling you about will preclude nerve injuries, permanent numbness, involuntary drooling, perforated sinuses, incorrect tooth angles and broken jawbones. Here’s why and how to protect yourself."

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9943517/Dental-Implants


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