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Sue
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Dec-12-02, 04:46 PM (CST)
 
"Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
 
   A couple of dentists have looked at a tooth four away from the extraction site of a wisdom tooth. They all say it is ok. One dentist said he thought I had a bone infection. I saw an oral surgeon recently who thinks I have a bruised nerve. I'm seeing a nerve speacialist next Friday. My question is can nerve damage cause constant pain in a tooth? It feels like a really bad toothache. I do have the burning in my tougne and gums but that's starting to get better. But the tooth pain is awful, I'm wondering if it needs to be removed? It's never ever caused me pain until after I had my wisdom teeth removed almost three months ago. Thank you, Sue


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  RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? Dr. B Dec-12-02 1
     RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? ness Dec-16-02 2
         RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? rocksteady17 Dec-16-02 3
             RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? Dr. B Dec-17-02 4
                 RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? Sue Dec-17-02 5
                     RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? Sue Dec-17-02 6
                     RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? Dr. B Dec-17-02 7
                         RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? ness Dec-18-02 8
                         RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? Loraine Jan-01-03 9
                             RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? Joanne Feb-03-03 10
                             RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? smokesncoke Jul-05-03 21
                     RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? smokesncoke Jul-05-03 20
                         RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? Joanne Jul-07-03 22
  RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? mary T. Feb-24-03 11
  RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? LaVonne Feb-27-03 12
     RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? Dr. B Feb-27-03 13
         RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? LaVonne Mar-15-03 14
             RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? ness Mar-16-03 15
  RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? ambrm00n Mar-23-03 16
     RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? ness Mar-24-03 17
         RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain? ambrm00n Mar-24-03 18
  IF you want pills without being scammed Matt Jun-27-03 19

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Dr. B
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Dec-12-02, 06:39 PM (CST)
 
1. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   This would be unusual. You should see an endodontist (root canal specialist) and have him evaluate the tooth in question. The nerve in that tooth may be dying but that may have nothing to do with the wisdom tooth.


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ness
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Dec-16-02, 06:09 AM (CST)
 
2. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   l to suffer tooth pain after wisdom teeth removal in the two molars right next to the top wisdom tooth that was removed no one can find anything wrong with them the pain at times is enough to drive you nuts l also suffer a cramplilke pain along the cheek bone and into the eye socket this eye pain is recent but the rest is 6 months l take neorontin but it only takes the edge of and at $233.00 per packet it is also sending me broke l am currently seeing my doctor dentist but l think she gives up on me and a proffessor of dental medicine and pathology and not one of them can diagnose me yet alone get rid of the pain. today l had a ct scan so l hope it shows something.try looking up AO on the net l think it is spelt atypical odontaglia it has somethings there that ring true another theory l have is tmj is can cause all sorts of symptoms and can be triggered from having your mouth stretched during extraction, l have found that helping your self and arming yourself with as much knowledge as possible is the only way to get answers on days when l just give up l force myself to find someone to help me l try alternative therapys as well although no luck l will keep searching if you get any where please post back and let me no.
bye ness


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rocksteady17
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Dec-16-02, 05:43 PM (CST)
 
3. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   Sounds like something called NICO that I read about on line earlier where there are lesions in the jaw under wear the tooth was extracted from often times commonly misdiagnosied but the pain shoots up towards the eyes - i have the same pain myself - but i have one wisdom tooth left to have removed under that eye so i'm hoping it'll go away once that tooth is removed.


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Dr. B
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Dec-17-02, 09:01 AM (CST)
 
4. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   Where have you read of this NICO? Many times I se teeth nearby a site which have nerve damage and a root canal solves the problem. This is why I suggest an endodontist to evaluate them. An MRI should rule out a number of things.


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Sue
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Dec-17-02, 12:48 PM (CST)
 
5. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   i've heard of NICO as well. It's a cavation in the bone often found after a wisdom tooth is removed. It's a bone infection from lack of blood to the bone. The bone can end up dying. It usually appears to be healthy bone on x-rays if your not trained to find it. I think it's a cat scan that can find it, not sure. A bone biospy can find it. There is a bunch of causes. Some of the symptoms I remember are fever, headaches, earaches, I think muscle spasms, facial pain, burning or heat sensation in the gums, and tooth pain. The only thing that can be done is to have the infection scrapped out. I know there is differant patterns of pain too. It's usually found in the extraction site of wisdom tooth. I found out about it when I did a search on bone infection. You can find information if you do a search under NICO. It stands for something. I'm trying to find out if that may be what I have as well. I have a terrible toothache that drives me crazy. I'm trying to see an ethodonist but I have to see another dentist first. If a root canal is all I need I'd be really happy, but I also have a lump by the old extraction site. Some say it's scar tissue but it hurts when it's pressed on. Hopely someone will figure out this and fix it if they can it is horrible!


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Sue
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Dec-17-02, 12:56 PM (CST)
 
6. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   I'll let you know if I find out anything Ness. I know it sux but it's true knowledge is the best thing. I was reffered to a nerve speacialist because I had the burning and pain in gums, cheek and tounge. I don't seem to have that anymore. Only some burning around the tooth and tip of tounge. It feels like tooth is in a vice. I hope you get better!


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Dr. B
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Dec-17-02, 06:13 PM (CST)
 
7. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   I will look up NICO but what you are describing sounds like Osteomyelitis which is a bone infection. It must be scraped out and treated with antibiotics and can be very serious. An MRI should rule this out.


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ness
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Dec-18-02, 06:28 AM (CST)
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8. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   l have done alot of research on NICO and was hoping to bring it up on this site one day the o stands for oseomelytis thats all l can remember but l know l found alt of sites for it one was in a facial neuralgis site ane it had alot of dental issues on it including Atypical Odontaglia which was very interesting and perhaps another avenue to exlpore from what l remember NICO is usually found in old extraction sites so that is what put me off this train of thought as my wisdom teeth was my first extractions so l dont consider them old sites. Jaw bone cavitations is another name for it and it is quite a contraversial issue with some expert not believeing it exists it is something to grill my specialist about next month.Diagnosis doesnt sound much fun the only way l thought it could be detcted was through a curettage they called in this article but if an mri will show it would be great
ness


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Loraine
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Jan-01-03, 09:32 PM (CST)
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9. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   NICO is a theory promulgated by Dr. Jerry Bouquot, an oral pathologist. He can be found in Morgantown, West Virginia. It is a very controversial theory. He can find evidence of it by studying various films. It does have to do with a lack of blood flow to an area. It usually manifests itself through jaw pain. I believe he said he has had one or two people with tongue pain. He believed I had it and treated me with blood thinners for quite some time. Alas, no relief.


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Joanne
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Feb-03-03, 03:34 PM (CST)
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10. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   Hi,
I just had to add to this quote. I have other posts on this site (as a reply under 'severe radiating pain'). After 3 months of pain and bone infection from a widsdom tooth extraction, I found a doctor (not my OS) who thinks this is NICO (Neuralgia Inducing Cavitational Osteonecrosis). They symptons all ring true, and I've been treated with antibiotics, blood thinners and Vit C and Magnesium IVs - these are controversial since NICO is controversial - I have had some relief but not much - I am considering exploratory surgery - I even had their 'cavitat scan' done in addition to bone and CT scans that showed nothing. The cavitat showed some inflamation in the extraction site....It's hard to know who to believe anymore, but if anyone has any experience with NICO, please post!
Thanks,
Joanne


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smokesncoke
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Jul-05-03, 07:07 PM (CST)
 
21. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   please help me, i have cronic pain and i had four rootcanals and an extraction done two years ago. ever since that i have been to alot of all different kinds of medical doctors and dentists and noone knows how to help me. can you. the pain is so severe and i have taken everything for this nerve damage they say i have. other than this i had heard about this numbing of my lower left hand mouth but what is worst to have, numbing or this pain that never goes away?


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smokesncoke
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Jul-05-03, 06:59 PM (CST)
 
20. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   what is this nico? i have had 4 rootcanals and one extraction to me two years ago and i have been in cronic pain since. i have seen so many different dr and dentists and they do not know what is wrong except i have mouth pain from this procedure and now i have nerve damage. i am in cronic pain every minute and i have tried everything to get myself out of this pain noone wishes to be in. i thought having babys were painful. what about surgery? is going numb better than this pain??????????


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Joanne
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Jul-07-03, 08:58 AM (CST)
 
22. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   NICO stands for Neuralgia-Inducing Cavitational Osteonecrosis. It is a very controversial issue within the dental community.
I have attached a link and you can read for yourself.
http://www.maxillofacialcenter.com/NICO/index.htm
You can read some of my posts (under my name Joanne). My opinion is that some of this controversy stems from political reasons (OS/dentists not wanting to admit this is a problem) and the fact that some OSs have been negligent while practicing this surgery (but as we know, mistakes and negligence occur in the most established and convential medical systems).
So, take a read. I recently had this surgery, there was a lot of pathological bone damage, and the IAN was sitting in the middle of this infection causing intense pain - it had spread along the nerve to my neighbouring molars.
I don't want to convince anyone of NICO, just use your own judgement. The CAVITAT scan is now FDA approved, and in my case proved accurate where bone scans failed. I have photographs from my surgery to prove it.
Good luck, read around and explore all your options. Ask any questions, you are in the right place.
Joanne


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mary T.
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Feb-24-03, 08:15 AM (CST)
 
11. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   I have a different but somewhat related issue. After what I think was a bite from a sharp edge of bread crust, I developed a slight swelling in the middle upper part of my palate. I thought it was a cracked tooth at first the way the pain would shoot up through the tooth. Now I wonder if I've damaged a nerve in that area. Has anyone else had this problem? Is it temporary? Does it heal? Is there any treatment? This has been going on for about 5 weeks. Thank you.


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LaVonne
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Feb-27-03, 05:32 PM (CST)
 
12. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   An oral surgeon extracted my lower right wisdom tooth back in 1993 and there was nerve damage from it (I went back to see him and he told me so at that time). Initially there was lots of pain and a burning spot on my lip. Fortunately, the pain went away and I was left with the spot on my lip which I have learned to live with.....until a couple of weeks ago. I began experiencing extreme pain in just my lower right teeth, jaw and right ear. The doctor said I had a sinus infection (I did have some sort of infection but not the typical sinus pain around the eyes, nose etc.) and gave me steriods, antibiotics and pain pills. When I take the pain pills it takes the pain away pretty much but when I close the right side of my mouth it almost feels like my teeth are loose...yet it feels sort of tight (like when you have a popcorn kernel stuck by your tooth). I'm trying to get my doctor to refer me to an oral surgeon but he won't. I go for a cat scan tomorrow (I can't have a MRI as I have metal in my body) and next to an ear, nose and throat specialist. Perhaps I should be looking for a referral to a Neurologist? I have been noticing that my tongue feels sort of burning lately too but I had just figured it was from the antibiotics!


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Dr. B
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Feb-27-03, 07:53 PM (CST)
 
13. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   Have you been seeing a dentist on a regular basis? I can't believe this is related to a 10 year old incident.


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LaVonne
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Mar-15-03, 10:21 AM (CST)
 
14. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   I saw a dentist before even going to my doctor. He took xrays and found nothing wrong. Since then I have been thru the mill. Last week my face REALLY swelled up (it had been swelling up to a lesser degree on and off thru this ordeal) and I went back to the dentist. He said it was an abscess on the last tooth (molar) on the right side...took more xrays and still found no cavities to cause it but said the root/nerve was abscessed. I'm now on Penicillin and will see an Endodontist next week. I will not subject myself to a root canal..if there is no other way...pull the tooth, even though it has no cavity! I don't completely understand the difference between the 'nerve' (which is what I think is giving me the problems) and the 'root' which the dentist sort of used inter-changeably with nerve. First he said it was abscessed and then he said it was dying! I don't know if abscessed and dying are the same in dentist lingo but if the answer is either pulling the tooth or a root canal then pull it. I am a little concerned because this tooth is next to where the wisdom tooth that started this whole thing was located. How do I know this problem won't continue on to the next tooth and the next etc.? Also, how do I know that more nerve damage won't happen while trying to do either procedure to solve my current problem? Quite a dilema!


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ness
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Mar-16-03, 04:21 AM (CST)
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15. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   why so against a root canal as opposed to hveing it extracted,only asking cause l suffer pain inmolars two awy from the extraction site and will have root canal next week after 9 months of pain my spec gave me the option of removal or rot canal and l chose the rootcanal ness


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Mar-23-03, 08:32 PM (CST)
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16. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   yes yes yes! i have had pain two away from where my wisdom tooth was removed for the past three months and my OS said it was fine , finally i couldnt take it anymore and went to my dentist praying that i had a cavity, at least he could fill it and stop the pain, u know?? he x rayed it and even ran electricity through it to test the nerve (i didn't feel a thing actually) so he was completely perplexed and said "sorry, i can't fix what i can't see"... i can't chew on that side where the tooth is and it throbs and hurts like crazy all the time! but don't remove a perfectly healthy tooth! i was thinking the same thing, if it goes on much longer and i can't stop the pain should i have a perfectly healthy tooth removed? even if i could find a dentist who would do it, who knows what would happen next, maybe the pain would shift somewhere else?? i don't know what to say to you other than i have the exact same problem, and it is definitely from the extraction.... if you hear anything about what to do, please let me know!!! and the same here, good luck over there, Peri


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ness
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Mar-24-03, 04:42 AM (CST)
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17. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   well peri l went to the endondist lastr week for a purposed root canal to try and stop the pain but after all tst it turns out the pulp and teeth nervea are fine ,not sure where to go from hers as my pain started only in the molar but now spreads up to my chhek bone who know? l see my orofacial spes next week to discuss further possibilities and medication ,lm pretty doped out now that is why my spelling is so terrible,the endondist seemed to think l have a neuropathic pain syndrome which l was unlucky to get from wisdom teth removal they are also thinking a TMJ issue. l will post back if l find anything new out what country are you in im in AUStralia and would have trouble obtaining the spray you talk about but if it works for you l will give it a go perhaps can buy it over theinternet thanks ness


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Mar-24-03, 10:51 AM (CST)
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18. "RE: Can nerve damage cause awful tooth pain?"
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   hi! they ship the spray all over the world actually, i just called them and asked and got the website, which is www.maxamlabs.com , and the operator said you can order off the site...i just looked at the site and it has the PC3X at the top under "new breakthroughs", you can click and read on it and there are some news articles too...
i am in sunny florida, which hasn't been so sunny these past few days....i actually have tmj too, got it from when i had braces about ten years ago, i haven't had problems with it really since i got it, i used to get really awful migraines and my jaw would lock up and it was torture, then it disappeared for a year and came back and i have just lived with the clicking ever since, then these past 5 months with my wisdom teeth suddenly i get migraines all the time again, and now that i can't chew on my left side (which was where the tmj was the worst and clicked all the time-- the right didnt click as much) now my right side is getting worse because i have been chewing over there all the time now...i'm sorry you have to stay doped up to function...i've been trying to stick with natural stuff and stay away from painkillers and sleeping pills because i am so sick of taking them...there is a great place over here in south florida, boca raton actually, called barry's vitamins and herbs....he sells everything and anything that is natural and holistic and he ships all over the world, people know him all over the world, i get a lot of things from there (he ships over night to me for free, i don't know what it is to ship overseas??) his prices are really great and if you called and told him what was wrong he can suggest things, like natural painkillers that help with the pain and still allow you to spell =).....the number is (561)368-2070 (website is www.barrysvitamins.com) and if you tell him that cherie masters' daughter told you about it ,he should give you a discount.....i've been taking vitamins that help with bone regeneration and some other things....if you have trouble sleeping or even just relaxing at all because you feel antsy, he has something called relax-aid which is wonderful...if i feel all frustrated and jittery i take one and it calms me down and at night when i can't sleep i take one instead of sleeping pills and i get good sleep, not that crappy sleep where you don't dream on medication, but good sleep....ps i keep forgetting to take the spray in the morning, so i have only taken it at night these past couple days, but today the tingling feels a lot like annoying tickling and not like pain and it has only been about 4 days..since i just remembered, i'm gonna go spray it now and keep at it like i am supposed to.. i'll keep you updated, and feel better ness! peri


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