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diane uk
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"Help please! Going through a really bad time."
 
   It's almost 5 years since my tooth extraction and the pain seems to be getting worse. Didn't sleep at all last night so went to see the doctor who gave me a prescription for amitriptyline. I can take 1-3 25mg tablets. Does anyone have experience of this helping? The burning and tingling in my mouth is now excruciating and the twitching or muscle spasms are getting worse too. I really feel like I'm losing it now and there seems like there's no hope for me so all sorts of dark thoughts are entering my mind. I also have an old prescription for 1800mg per day of gabapentin, does anyone have an opinion of which one would be best to try first? I tried half that dose of gabapentin years ago and it didn't seem to do anything. I'm a bit scared of all the side effects of these drugs but I can't cope anymore like this.

Please does anyone out there have any hope that I may get better? Best wishes to all my fellow sufferers, this really is a living hell.


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  RE: Help please! Going through a really bad t reesatay Jul-15-08 2
     RE: Help please! Going through a really bad t pim Jul-15-08 3
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charlottefr
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Jul-15-08, 09:30 AM (CST)
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1. "RE: Help please! Going through a really bad t"
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   hi diane, I'm sorry you're so upset...please, do what you need to do today to drive the 'dark thoughts' out of your mind. My injury and symptoms are not nearly as severe as yours...but I do know how hard it is to cope with these abnormal feelings in the mouth day in and day out. For me, it is the "constantness" of the numbness, etc. and the never knowing if it's going to be a good day or a bad day as far as the discomfort goes, that makes me feel (or has made me feel in the past) like I can't go on anymore. When I start feeling like that, I do something to take my mind...or sometimes, I read some of the 'successful recovery' posts and that just helps me calm down.

I looked up a few of your previous posts and you had said before that this all started with an upper tooth, right? You had said you had 2 or 3 root canals on that tooth and then had it pulled and then the burning, etc started? Has the burning, tingling and twitching ever fluctuated in intensity?

I've noticed personally, and a few other posters have also said, that their symptoms get worse for a few days and then after, the symptoms seem to change - usually for the better. Have you ever noticed that yourself?

I read one of your posts where you had said that you had an appointment with a neurologist in March. Did this specialist determine any cause for your pain? Was he or she any help to you?

I don't know about meds so I can't offer any advice for you...hopefully someone will come online soon who can answer your question.

I DO have hope that you (and I) will get better! It seems to me that word is spreading about these oral injuries that are happening from 'simple' dental procedures...so I'm hopeful that more studies may be done and better treatments will be discovered to help the injured cope better.

Take tender care of you today...give yourself a treat of some kind...you deserve it!
C


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diane uk
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Jul-16-08, 04:25 AM (CST)
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   Hi Charlotte

Thanks so much for your message, it's so nice to know that others are thinking about me! I had a terrible day yesterday as I was so tired and had to go to the dentist for a check up (I hate going now). Ended up having a row with the dentist about my son's teeth and bursting into tears. Really humiliating! Took some amitryptilene (25g) and slept really well. I'm feeling better today, though a little "spaced out". I haven't had much burning yet today but it tends to get worse as the day goes on. Twitching still there though not too bad yet! I wish I knew what the twitching is, the neurologist basically said it was all in my mind as she couldn't see it but she must need a trip to the opticians! The neurologist just gave me another prescription for gabapentin which I haven't used as last time I tried it it had no effect. It turns out though that this is for twice the amount i was taking before so if the amitryptilene doesn't work I'm going to give the gabapentin a go again. Trouble is you have to build up the dose gradually so it'll be 6 weeks before I'm up to the right strength. I think I've tried to soldier on too much with this instead of keep badgering the doctors for more help. I stopped going to see them as I thought they were getting sick of the sight of me. The neurologist wasn't sympathetic at all and was only interested if there was some chance it was a brain tumour or something! You're right when you say that the pain gets bad for a while and then seems to improve a bit as this happens with me too. This is why I'm hoping that one day it might get so much better that it doesn't take over my life any more. I'm sure that stress makes it much worse too. We're off to Jamaica for a holiday in 2 weeks so I'm hoping that the rest and relaxation there will have a good effect and I won't be in pain so much when I'm trying to enjoy myself. Last time we went there was 5 years ago just after the dreaded extraction and, looking back, I must have been so numb as I spent a lot of the time with ice cubes against the site of the extracted tooth as it made it feel better whereas now i can't put ice cubes there for long. Definitely my mouth feels better in the morning now as before it used to feel like my teeth on that side were too big and sticking out. I just hope that there is still time for me to improve and I don't have to put up with this forever.

Thanks again, Charlotte, and to everyone who has posted. At least the doctor I saw yesterday was sympathetic and realised how awful this thing is. She even recommended I sue the dentist but I just can't face all the trouble it will cause. Good luck to you and I hope you heal soon.


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   Diane,

There are several posters that take Amitriptyline and from what I've read it helps them with the pain. It can make you tired when you first start taking it, so it might help to take a dose at bedtime. It definately can help you sleep. If this doesn't help you or you can't tolerate the side effects try something else.

I have taken Nurontin and it did help, but it takes awhile to work. I wouldn't start with 1800 mg per day because it take awhile for your body to adjust to this med and it should be taken at least 3X/day. It too can make you sleepy. Some people can't tolerate it, but again there are many other choices.

Check out the treatment page on this site for suggestions.

I had to use several different meds at a time to help me. Yep... I used all of these to help at one time or another. I'm now pretty much med free and only have to use a Xanix or Ultracet for the occasional pain.

Sleeping Aide: Ambien
Pain Med: Ultracet
Anti-seisure: Neurontin, Trileptal, Topamax,
Anti-anxiety: Xanix
Anti-depressant: Started with Remeron, changed to Effexor then changed to Cymbalta

It can be scarey to take these meds, but they can definately help. It is important to find what works best for you. It can take time to build up to the correct dosage. I had to constantly adjust my meds to find the best mix. It is important to find a doctor that will work with you to get this pain under control.

It definately sounds like you need something to help you. At least help you sleep so you can cope during the day. Don't let the side effects scare you away from getting help with medications. If you need this help then you need it. Try the Amitriptyline for awhile and see how it works for you. I think the dosage your doctor gave you is a small amount so it may need to be adjusted later. Give it time to work and keep going back to your doctor until you get this undercontrol. There is hope.

Take Care.

"T"

"T"


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3. "RE: Help please! Going through a really bad t"
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   Doxepin is another tri-cyclic antidepressent, like Elavil (amytryp), but doesn't have all of the side effects. You might want to try that if the Elavil side effects are too much.


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   Ive had the nerve wracking condition for 6 1/2 years and i know its a living HELL .. I think the injury itself is worse than the side effects of the drugs .. For the most part if you stop the drug the side effects eventually go away.. The injury remains in full force ..I would have never made it without the drugs !! I ended up taking 600mg of neurontin every 6 hours , Paxil, percocet, and flexaril gave me some relief..


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   I'm so sorry you've had this for even longer than me. It surely is a terrible condition and no-one can understand how bad it is until they have experienced it. I think it makes it worse knowing that someone did this to me and it wasn't just bad luck. The anger I feel towards the dentist and myself for going ahead with all the treatment I had when it was all probably unnecessary makes me feel so bad. I'll try the Amitriptylene for a while then I'll try the Gabapentin as I have a prescription for 600mg 3 times a day. I only took 300mg 3 times a day before and the neurologist said this wouldn't have touched it whereas the ordinary doctor said it was a high dose! I just get a bit nervous of the side effects as I have a busy life (don't we all!) and I hate to feel drowsy but I guess anything's better than pain.

Thanks for you help and support and good luck to you. Maybe there's still hope for us after all this time. Do you have any twitching or muscle spasm sensations? I can feel them almost all the time and they are visible when I look in the mirror. Looks like my lips are throbbing, not painful but very annoying. Just wondered if you knew what they might be?


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   Yes i had a twitching of the tongue that made me nuts .. I dont know why and neither did the doctors.. the flexaril i took which is a muscle relaxer calmed that part down and the clamp like feeling on my jaw.. And gabapentin is the generic form of neurontin .. and only after upped doses over about a 4 month period did i start to get relief from the neurontin and that was with taking a pain killer called percocet i was on 2 antidepressants at one time but one gave me hot flashes that turned into high blood pressure I feel better now than i did at 5 years .. so yes there is hope


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   Tit's good to know I'm not the only one with this twitching thing! I'll look up Flexaril and maybe ask the doc about it next time I go. Didn't have any burning yesterday after the Amitriptylene but that might be just coincidence. It makes me feel a bit hungover but not too bad. It's good to know you feel better now than at 5 years, now I have some hope. I'll also check out Percocet but if it's like Tramadol I'll give it a miss as I took that once for a pulled muscle in my back and I thought I was going to die because I felt so ill! Thanks so much for your help


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   Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. Feel a bit dozy today but not too bad. No burning yet either but time will tell!


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   Reesatay,

Thank you for the info. Have taken one dose of Amitriptylene one feel a bit odd today but it might just be tiredness. Only took one 25mg tablet so might try two if it doesn't help much. Do you know hoe long it takes to have effect as I forgot to ask the doctor yesterday? Does the effect build up or is it an instant thing? I think I need to keep going to see the doc now until they find something that helps rather that keep tring to go without drugs. Haven't heard of some of the drugs you mention so I'll look them up. Might be different names here in the UK. At least I've found a sympathetic doctor now who wants to help me, I think I've been too brave and cheerful before and they haven't realised how bad this problem is.

Thanks again and you take care too

D


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   Hi diane...I don't know if you still read here..but I'm wondering how you are doing now?


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   Hi Charlotte, and thanks for remembering me!!

I'm still here but still suffering, unfortunately. I took amitriptyline for a while but it didn't seem to have much effect on the pain so I've been taking gabapentin for what seems like ages now. I'm not really sure if it's doing any good anf I've tried up to 2400mg per day of it. I'm now on 1200mg and would really like to get off it completely but I'm waiting to see the doc at the pain clinic again. My family doctors don't seem to have a clue what to try!! My main prob at the moment is sleeping. I thought maybe the gaba was causing the insomnia so I've been reduced the dose from the 1800mg the doc recommended but last night I didn't sleep at all!! This is driving me nuts as I feel so tired the next day but, at the same time, I also feel hyper. What could this be, have you any idea?? The twitching is still there as strong as ever, if not stronger and it makes relaxing very difficult. I think I may look into the flexaril as mentioned by the other poster but I'm so worried about these drugs giving me all sorts of side effects. What do you think about the gabapentin causing the insomnia, it is mentioned in the leaflet but everyone else says they make them sleepy so I'm not sure what to do. I'm going to make an appointment with the doc asap and see what they say. I think the burning and tingling is a little better than it used to be but whether it's as a result of the drugs or time I can't tell!

Thanks so much for your concern, and if you or anyone else can provide any answers I would be very grateful


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   Hi diane...I'm sorry that the forum went down just after you posted. How are you feeling? Did you go back to the pain clinic again?

This website says that insomnia can be a "less serious" side effect of gabapentin (brand name neurontin).

Generic Name: gabapentin
Brand Names: Gabarone, Neurontin

http://www.drugs.com/neurontin.html

I had to go gradually go off the meds that I was on..I couldn't stand the way they made me feel. I'm trying to cope with the still present abnormal feelings and occasional pain spikes without meds...but I realize my injury doesn't seem to be as severe as others.

Has any physician been able to explain why you still have twitching 5 years after your injury?


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