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sophiepup
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"I've gotten some great relief!"
 
   Hi!

I've suffered with burning mouth for about a year. It has gradually intensified as to be unbearable. It is fine in the morning, starts around noon, is worse at dinner, and gets a little better by bed.

I went to see an orofacial pain doctor ten days ago. Since seeing him, I have gotten 80-90% relief from the burning. I sure hope things stay this way. I'm not saying this guy is a miracle worker or anything...am just relating my experience.

Here is what he did:

1) Gave me a prescription for Nystantin (an oral mouth rinse). I swish and swallow this 4 times per day. It tastes fine.

2) Told me to take a multivitamin like Centrum Silver. (I'm 49). Am doing this.

3) Told me to take a B complex vitamin. (Got this also and am doing it.)

4) Another friend told me to get B12 in a sublingual tablet (500mcg) and dissolve it under my tongue once per day. (Got this at the health food store and started this.)

5) The doctor also told me to get .5 Klonopin per day from my psychiatrist. I called him and it was no problem. I'm taking that.

I have NO idea which of these (if any) have improved my burning symptoms. I am just sharing this in the hope it may help someone else.

I go back to see the doctor in a week. I will update if anyone is interested.

Take care.


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  RE: I've gotten some great relief! sophiepup Jul-15-08 1
     RE: I've gotten some great relief! Grace15 Aug-01-08 2
  RE: I've gotten some great relief! john Aug-01-08 3
     RE: I've gotten some great relief! Grace15 Aug-02-08 4
         RE: I've gotten some great relief! dmplaura Aug-02-08 5
         RE: I've gotten some great relief! john Aug-17-08 7
             RE: I've gotten some great relief! Grace15 Aug-18-08 8
                 RE: I've gotten some great relief! john Aug-24-08 9
                 RE: I've gotten some great relief! shane1 Aug-27-08 11
                     RE: I've gotten some great relief! bowho Aug-27-08 13
     RE: I've gotten some great relief! shane1 Aug-27-08 12
  RE: I've gotten some great relief! Burnin Help Aug-07-08 6
  RE: I've gotten some great relief! shane1 Aug-27-08 10
     RE: I've gotten some great relief! Genuissa73 Oct-09-08 14
         RE: I've gotten some great relief! shane1 Oct-09-08 15
  RE: I've gotten some great relief! hotforteether13 Feb-23-09 16
     RE: I've gotten some great relief! bowho Feb-24-09 17
         RE: I've gotten some great relief! shane1 Feb-24-09 18
             RE: I've gotten some great relief! hotforteether13 Feb-25-09 19
                 RE: I've gotten some great relief! bowho Feb-25-09 20

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sophiepup
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1. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Okay, I am still here.

I've had almost total relief for a few days now.

I'm only doing the mouth rinse a couple of times per day. Just when I remember.

Am still taking all the vitamins and the B vitamins. Other than being big and hard to swallow, they're no problem.

Am taking the Klonopin .5 around 4 pm.

Just brushing with regular toothpaste.

Had to cancel doctor due to jury duty, so don't see him till August 5th. I think this is good anyhow...so I can see how long this relief lasts.

Plan on getting estrogen level checked when I see the gyn on July 29th.

Sometimes I feel "spurts" of burning but nothing like it was. I forget I even have the problem for long periods of time.

I hope the rest of you find some relief.

I will continue to update in the hope it will help someone else.


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Grace15
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2. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Hi Sophiepup,

It's great that you have found some relief for your BMS. I have had symptoms of BMS for the last three months. I went to several doctors who couldn't help me. They took all kinds of tests from oral thrush to Vitamin B deficiency to blood glucose to thyroid, you name it. All test results were normal and my mouth looked perfectly healthy. They finally referred me to a specialist in Boston who is experienced with treating BMS. My appointment isn't until next month, so I'm trying to hang in there. I just wanted to check in and see if you're still doing well with the regimen your doctor gave you. Is the Klonopin still working well for you? I also wanted to let you know that there is a forum for BMS that has a lot of information and great people who are very supportive. It's www.go4hope.org. You may want to check it out. Take care and be well!

Grace


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john
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3. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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Relicman here, the only man in America with BMS this bad! almost (4) years now with BMS. The most strangest occurance like you mentioned. Like clockwork. Wake-up in the morning and it's ok starts at noon, at dinner time it is worse, and finally gets a little better at bed time..enough, "Thank God" to fall asleep.

Out all of the suffering I have be through..why does it run this strange pattern in most BMS suffers???. I noticed when I wake-up,
get in to the shower, it starts in.

Can't say, if I open my eyes in the middle of the night it's totally
gone, but seems to be, on a scale from 1-10 a 1 in the middle of the night.

Again, around dinner time it is worse why???..almost like a fever
seems to get worse around dinner time a breaks before bedtime.

WHY!!!

Relicman


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Grace15
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4. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Hi Relicman, I'm so sorry to hear that you have suffered with BMS for 4 years. I have the same pain pattern that you describe and it is indeed strange. This is such a mysterious condition. In addition to the burning pain, I have a bitter or salty taste in my mouth all the time, it never goes away. Do you have that too, and does it ever go away? I have only been dealing with this for 3 months and I truly wonder how people like yourself have coped with it for years. Are you taking any medications that help? It's so hard to talk to family and friends about it, how could they possibly understand what it's like. It certainly makes you feel alone and depressed. My thoughts and prayers go out to you and all suffering from this terrible condition. Take care and hang in there.

Grace


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dmplaura
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5. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   It's been over a year myself. Same pattern as described. Wake up, burning is not present. By evening/night it's rearing it's ugly head, on a daily basis.

It's onset was completely sudden. Went to bed 1 day without a burning mouth. Following day, woke up and by night I was wondering why the heck my mouth was so sore and painful.

Taste also altered, however mine's been more a metallic taste than anything else.

I'm trying to avoid foods that give me heartburn, or are highly acidic, to see if this helps. I have gone through periods of time, before and after meds, where the burning mouth is almost completely gone. Then suddenly it's back again.

I'm at a loss as to what's triggering mine, however I may have made another connection last night.... I noticed that I ate peanut butter on toast late at night, which for some reason makes me belch quite a bit, and I can feel it up my esophagus. The burning came back in intensity, so because of the stomach upset, I took a Zantac 150 that I have had around since my neuro prescribed them this year to use during steroid infusions for MS relapse. Well, an hour after taking the Zantac, the burning started to calm down.

Possibly related to stomach irritation in general? Maybe due to the stress and anxiety I was in pre-MS diagnosis, I in turn caused my stomach to begin acting up and that's translating to the mouth?

I don't believe it's any 1 factor in my case. It's a few factors working together that resulted in this if you ask me.

Diagnosed MS 03/08 Relapsing/Remitting.


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john
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7. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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Hi Grace:

I always said it's like a color wheel of sensations. Sometimes salty, sometimes sour, sometimes burning, but most of the time these days, is this sandpaper gritty tonge that never goes away, seems like when the salty comes back, the grittyness is less.

When I first started to notice something was wrong many years ago,
it started as a sour, then went to salty all of the time, Sooo salty like rock salt!!..then the burning kicked in from time to time and finally started the gritty sensation on the top of my tonge which NEVER goes. I was so stressed and perplexed with theses strange symtoms which even my Family Dr. was perplexed. I Also feel what may keep us all sane it the fact that it does change from time to time.

IT IS A MEDICAL MYSTERY!!! I feel singled out sometimes, have a better
chance of wining the state lottery then getting this!!!

I do admit I drink Much wine and coffee. I read a post where someone mentioned a overly acidy body in general may be the reason. If the
mouth saliva is very acidy, from the body, maybe can cause the nerves in the tonge to become damaged.



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Grace15
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8. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Hi John,

When I first got my BMS, it started out as a very bitter taste with slight burning. Now it has changed to a very salty taste and more intense burning (you're description of rock salt describes it perfectly). It has really affected my appetite because everything tastes salty. It's just awful. My doctor prescribed Clonazepam. I've been on it for 5 weeks and it has helped only slightly with the burning but has had no effect on the taste I know you've had BMS for many years, have you ever taken any medication or supplements that gave you any relief? That's interesting that having an overly acidic body may cause the nerves in the tongue to be damaged. I had not heard that before, but since there seem to be so many things that could cause it, it certainly seems feasible. I know there are kits you can order to test the PH balance in your body, I may just look into that. I know what you mean about feeling singled out. I have never met one single person in my real life (meaning except on these forums) that has BMS or knows someone that has it, or has ever even heard of it for that matter. It really helps to hear from others that have this terrible condition and to see that they are managing to cope. I'm early in this process and there are days when I truly feel that I'm losing it. I wish none of us has to suffer like this, but it truly helps to know that others understand and we're not alone. Thanks John and hang in there! Grace


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9. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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Hi Grace

Over the years people come and go from this site. Always seems that after a year or so most never come back. When this is new, people search for answers and find this site. For most they don't come back
not because their BMS has gone, but simply they get used to it knowing
it may never go. In the begining it was Extremely depressing and
scarey, most feel that way. Today I wish it would go but after 4 years I'm not hopeful it will. After a year or so, you may not come back yourself but we're glad to help. I will always check in from time to time. It is just a extremeley strange disorder I would not wish on anyone. Yor're right, when you say almost no one has heard of this disorder and mostlikey you will never know someone who has a disorder of the tongue like this one.

Finally, I have mentioned this before in my posts. As rare this disorder my seem to be, I did find it, in two older family health journals, meaning that it was seen many years ago and ironically
enough more common many years ago to be in a family healh jounal!!??


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11. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Hello, Grace. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I believe I had this condition about 10 years ago and it resolved on its own after I had seen my doctor and an ENT and got no answers. Now, after all this time, it has come back worse than it was the first time. I am in the early stages of trying to deal with it, but please believe me when I tell you that I completely understand the despair and pain - physical and emotional - you are going through. Although this most recent manifestation has only been with me for 12 days (following some dental work, but I'm not sure that's the cause), I have already had some of the darkest moments I've had in my life because of it, and that's saying something. The physical pain is bad enough, but the emotional anxiety and depression is almost worse.
Right now, I am taking Motrin to try to cope with the pain, and also a supplement called alpha-lipoic acid, which I read has had some success in treating the burning. I've only just started taking it, so who knows if it will have any effect.
The best of luck to you. Hang in there, as I'm trying to do.


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13. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Hi Shane1 , What kind of dental work did you just have done ? I have a lingual nerve injury that causes my burning tongue ... I had scar tissue removed away from the lingual nerve 6 1/2 months after a wisdom tooth extraction nightmare ... My tongue is numb on top of the burning .. It only burns where it is numb ? And thats the right side only .. Used to be the whole right side until i regained some feeling in the tip and back .. now it only burns in the middle BUT the flame for me has been turned down over the years and its not 24/7 anymore .... You may have a injured lingual nerve caused by the dental work ?


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12. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Relicman, I've done so much reading about this, it's ridiculous. The pattern you describe is typical for most people with BMS, including myself, although the brief period when I first wake up barely lasts an hour before the pain kicks in. From what I've read, this affects mostly post-menopausal women, but men get it too, usually about 15 years before most women do. I'm 58 and I think I had this years ago, or something similar, that eventually went away after I think a few weeks. Now it's back and much worse and I'm feeling pretty hopeless, but still haven't tried all the possible suggestions for relief. Good luck to you.


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6. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   I've had the BMS for about 6 mo. Think it may be related to nerve damage in the neck which could have happened from drinking alcohol. Had a colonic and the hydrotherapist said I need to detox, no coffee, alcohol, wheat, sugar, or dairy. What is left? ha ha. But alcohol can take out the vitamins like B vitamins, etc. So taking some B vitamins may help, I will try that. And slowing down on drinking. Just tried squirting vitamin E from a capsule on my tongue, it gave temporary relief. I've also had intestinal problems, like constipation. And am mid-40's female, which doctor said this syndrome happens to women my age. Thanks for reading, LL


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10. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Thanks for sharing your experience. Please do come back and let us know how you progress. I am suffering from this now and feeling somewhat desperate. I've done so much reading on the subject that I could teach a seminar, but I'm afraid that doctors and dentists are still miserably undereducated about this poorly understood condition.


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14. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   I'm grateful that I have stumbled upon this forum. I was beginning to think I was the only one suffering from this complaint. I am almost 100% sure that I have BMS from dental work. It has only occured since I had crowns put on my two upper front teeth. I've had it for seven weeks now and it seems to just get worse and worse. Today, I am very aware of a bitter, metallic taste in my mouth. Also, my symptoms seem to move around my mouth. Sometimes it's concentrated on the top of the crowns, other times it's all across the roof of my mouth. I have found info that B vits and lipoic acid help. I've started to take the B vits (early days) and waiting upon an order of lipoic acid. It scares me to read that people have suffered with this condition for years. Do you become more accepting of it as time goes on?

My dentist is referring me to a dermatologist and another specialist to check bloods etc. I did read somewhere that this can be caused by nerve damage. I have been told by my dentist that I need a root canal in my upper right front tooth and I am wondering if the BMS symptoms could be linked to the fact that I need to have the root canal done?

If anyone has any advice on the above, I'd be grateful.

My thoughts and prayers are with everyone who is suffering with this condition.


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15. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Genuissa, I had a bout of BMS many years ago that lasted for what I remember was a rather brief period of time, a month maybe? I have now had a recurrence which has so far lasted for two months. Like you, mine started after dental work, two upper crowns on the sides of my mouth, right and left. I do not have the bitter, metallic taste. When the pain started, it was pretty generalized throughout my entire mouth....that scalded feeling, as most BMS sufferers will describe it. Then it started to be more as you describe it, moving around, sometimes to different areas in the same day, mostly either the sides of the back of my tongue, or the front of the roof of my mouth.
I tried the alpha-lipoic acid, which didn't seem to do anything for me.Of course, regular pain killers, like Motrin, even in high doses, do nothing either. I have been taking Klonopin for about a month, but I feel that mostly all that does is take the edge off my anxiety about the pain. About three weeks ago, I started taking .10 mg. amitriptylin (Elavil), since this is a medication that some have had success with and I suggested to my doctor that we give it a try (I had to educate him about BMS, which unfortunately is true of most docs and makes having this condition even more frustrating and isolating). Last week I had several days in which the pain seemed to be diminishing and then one day when it was gone altogether, only to return in the late evening. Now this week, it is quite bad again and all over my mouth, so that makes me doubt that the Elavil is doing anything, either.
I've also been taking B vitamins.
This is a very tough condition to deal with, because not only must you endure the physical pain, but also the anxiety and depression that comes with it and the fact that it is so poorly understood. I wish I could say that I have become resigned or adjusted to it, but I haven't. While I continue to live my life the same as always (though many times I'd just like to close myself off and shut down), for me it has tended to become the focus of my day-to-day life.
All I can say is hang in there. I know that for some people, it does go away as mysteriously as it appears and it did for me about 12 or so years ago, although then it didn't last as long and wasn't as bad.
Let me know if you'd like to correspond by email. I'm sure you already know that trying to cope with this awful thing can feel like a very solitary endeavor, so I too am grateful for this site.


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16. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Hi everybody,
I just stumbled on this site while looking into lingual nerve injections and I so glad I found it!!!
I have been a hygienist for 25 years now and you are certainly right that we don't have any real answers for BMS. We have been trying to treat the symptoms with a mixture of Kenalog and Ora base mixed by a pharacist or a homemade mixture of benydryl and mylanta 50% of each(rinse and spit), but this only masks the burning temporarily. We have a lady patient whom is very uncomfortable and also has the metalic taste you mentioned. I too have been told it may be related to a vitamen B deficiency and nerve damage. Thanks for all the suggestions. I can't wait to share your ideas with her. So sorry for all those in pain. We really seem to be up against a wall with this. My heart goes out to you.


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17. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Ive had lingual nerve damage for 7 years now caused by an injection/wisdom tooth removal.. I had the burning electrical zapping tongue for many medicated years even after a neuroma was removed 6 1/2 months after the injury.. I never had the metalic taste.. First i had no taste but regained some taste only on the back of my tongue.. Neurologist told me that was another nerve..
http://jada.ada.org/cgi/content/abstract/138/5/628

Probably the best thing you could do the lady patient who is suffering would be to tell her about this site,(if she has the internet) and maybe if shes lucky, she will find something that helps someday..


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18. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   Another excellent site is here: http://www.go4hope.org/. A very supportive and communicative group of people there, and a very helpful resource.


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   Thank you for the website suggestions. I will surely pass them on to her. It will be a relief to her to know that she has someplace to go with people who are so compassionate. Had to give a mandibular block today. All went well and the patient said I was very gentle, may by the grace of God I continue to have good results.


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20. "RE: I've gotten some great relief!"
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   http://www.dentalindia.com/lingual.html


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