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Doctor Annette
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Sep-23-03, 09:58 PM (CST)
 
"Stages of Recovery"
 
  
Dear Gang of Fellow Sufferers,

One of the things that I searched for when I first found this site after I had inferior alveolar nerve injury following a dental implant, was some guide or blueprint to recovery. In other words, I hoped to find a consensus as to the most common stages of nerve regeneration/resolution.

Now, seven weeks after my implant 'accident,' I have recovered approximately 85% of the feeling in my lower lip, chin and bottom teeth. I expect to recover completely. Having consulted with a neurologist friend who tells me that my experience is fairly typical for nerve injuries that exclude severance, I think it might be useful to others on this site for me to describe the stages that I have gone through on my path to healing.

The first stage, anesthesia, lasted three full weeks. I had a wooden lip and chin. During that time I could not even feel a needle inserted several millimeters into the affected areas. My oral surgeon would send me home with multiple bleeding pinprick areas both inside and outside my mouth; I never even felt him stick me.

I spit when I spoke (nice for my students, right?), and often bit the inside of my lower lip. I dribbled drinks and slurred my words. Great for my reputation as a college professor ("I am sure she must have started to drink!").

The following stage involved a sensation that I can only compare to sucking on an extremely strong lemon. Several times a day, especially after eating something salty or spicy, I had the impression that the affected area would gather into a tight mass and become turgid, contracted and swollen.

After that, the area began to burn. Sometimes it was so painful that I cried. This stage lasted about ten days, but if felt like an eternity since the pain would wake me several times at night and I could find no relief.

Shortly after that, the burning mingled with intense itching. However, when I scratched, I could not feel my fingernails on my skin. Very disconcerting!

The final stage -- the one in which I am at this point in time -- involves a very gradual return of feeling in the affected area. Sensation returns starting at the place of injury and gradually moves toward the front of the mouth. From reading testimony on this site I have discovered this to be the case also with lingual nerve injury -- recovery commences at the point of damage and moves forward to the tip of the tongue.

In my case, the implant impinged on the first molar toward the middle of the mouth on the right-hand side, and I can trace recovery of sensation millimeter by millimeter from that site toward the middle of my chin, and now upward into my lower lip. Often the recovery of sensation is accompanied by stabbing or shooting pains along the path of the mental nerve. And, of course, the ever-present burning.

Today I can feel the heat in BOTH sides of my lower lip when I drink a cup of hot coffee. I can also feel a kiss. It is pretty cool!

I hope that this step-by-step description of nerve resolution answers some of the questions that I looked for when I first found this marvellous site. I know from my colleague (mentioned above) that resolution/regeneration doesn't follow the same schedule in everyone (in some people the nerve might be severed, in which case recovery might never take place although some sensation can be recovered through peripheral nerve regeneration).

But, yet again according to my friend, my case is fairly typical for bruising and/or stretching and/or puncture injury to the nerves in the mouth.

Thank you, Ross, for establishing and maintaining this site. Best of luck -- a great big hug, actually -- to everyone out there who has experienced one of these horrible accidents. May your recovery be swift and complete.

Annette


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  RE: Stages of Recovery reesatay Sep-24-03 1
     RE: Stages of Recovery Doctor Annette Sep-24-03 2
         RE: Stages of Recovery DMilot Sep-25-03 3
         RE: Stages of Recovery reesatay Sep-25-03 5
         RE: Stages of Recovery ithurts1 Feb-16-09 40
             RE: Stages of Recovery charlottefr Feb-16-09 41
  RE: Stages of Recovery karen marietta Sep-25-03 4
     RE: Stages of Recovery Doctor Annette Sep-25-03 6
     RE: Stages of Recovery pedromont Jun-23-06 11
  RE: Stages of Recovery Jen Nov-17-04 7
     RE: Stages of Recovery Alison Dec-27-04 8
  RE: Stages of Recovery Alison Jan-03-05 9
     RE: Stages of Recovery Mairead Jun-06-06 10
         RE: Stages of Recovery debbiechis Jun-25-06 12
             RE: Stages of Recovery Madison Jul-13-08 13
                 RE: Stages of Recovery charlottefr Jul-14-08 14
  RE: Stages of Recovery Cami Aug-04-08 15
  RE: Stages of Recovery pe1 Aug-27-08 16
     RE: Stages of Recovery bowho Aug-27-08 17
         RE: Stages of Recovery pe1 Aug-27-08 18
             RE: Stages of Recovery bowho Aug-27-08 19
     RE: Stages of Recovery Bob Aug-27-08 20
  RE: Stages of Recovery Latin_P Nov-12-08 21
     RE: Stages of Recovery KarenR Nov-12-08 22
         RE: Stages of Recovery Latin_P Nov-14-08 23
             RE: Stages of Recovery KarenR Nov-15-08 24
  RE: Stages of Recovery Carolina M Nov-19-08 25
     RE: Stages of Recovery Latin_P Nov-21-08 26
         RE: Stages of Recovery bowho Nov-22-08 27
             RE: Stages of Recovery Latin_P Nov-24-08 28
                 RE: Stages of Recovery bowho Nov-24-08 29
                     RE: Stages of Recovery Latin_P Nov-25-08 31
         RE: Stages of Recovery pim Nov-25-08 30
             RE: Stages of Recovery bowho Nov-25-08 32
                 RE: Stages of Recovery Latin_P Dec-10-08 34
                     RE: Stages of Recovery bowho Dec-11-08 35
     RE: Stages of Recovery NUMBCHIN Dec-24-08 36
         RE: Stages of Recovery bowho Dec-27-08 37
  RE: Stages of Recovery Latin_P Dec-02-08 33
  RE: Stages of Recovery ithurts1 Jan-12-09 38
     RE: Stages of Recovery ReneeS Jan-25-09 39
  RE: Stages of Recovery mco Feb-16-09 42
     RE: Stages of Recovery pim Feb-16-09 43
  RE: Stages of Recovery luna2011 Oct-26-10 44
     RE: Stages of Recovery IANinjurygirl Oct-28-10 45
         RE: Stages of Recovery luna2011 Nov-01-10 46

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reesatay
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1. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Doctor Annette,

I wondered how you were doing since your last posting. Glad you are close to 100% recovered. I hope you see a total recovery soon and you never have to deal with this again. It is good to see that someone has found healing from their nerve injury. I don't think we hear enough about the people that have healed. Thanks for the very good news.

I've been told that for my type of nerve injury (injectional) approximately 80% heal within a year. I'm not sure what happens to the other 20%. I hope I don't have to find this out for myself. I'm currently 8 months out from my injury and I don't see the end of this anytime soon, but my symptoms are controlled by medications.

I want to stress again that everyone's injury and recovery is unique to that person. The information on this site is helpful if kept in perspective. It isn't a definitive outline for healing or treatment, but should be used as a guide. To the new people reading info on this site I hope you don't get discouraged if your progress doesn't match someone else's.

I know for me, when I was newly injured I looked for answers to help me make sense of my injury. Reading about other people's symptoms and treatments has been very helpful for me. Reading about another's recovery has been very helpful in renewing my hope.

Keep Hope for Healing Alive!

"T"

"T"


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Doctor Annette
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Sep-24-03, 05:30 PM (CST)
 
2. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Dear Reesatay --

I am awfully happy you replied to my posting; I was hoping to have news of you and your condition.

As you point out, there are always variations from case to case. This is why I was careful to point out that I was describing my personal situation, and also to say that my progress appears to be fairly typical for bruising, stretching or puncture wounds of the inferior alveolar nerve. It is perhaps not typical for more serious injuries; certainly not for those where the nerves have been sectioned or their integrity otherwise seriously compromised.

In response to your caveats, I agree that it is prudent to point out that the time-period involved in my case might not be typical -- many people take much longer to heal. However, the process, i.e., the different stages, seems to be pretty typical, so perhaps that can give people a yardstick of sorts against which they can monitor their own progress.

As far as your case is concerned, don't despair. My neurologist friend says that in cases of very severe damage, the beginning of resolution -- or improvement of some sort -- often starts after ten to twelve months. He maintains that healing can occur after two years and beyond!

Keep us updated on your condition as you progress; I shall certainly keep you in my thoughts and will check periodically to see how you are doing.

Best,
Annette


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DMilot
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Sep-25-03, 08:30 AM (CST)
 
3. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Thanks Annette. I am so very happy for you. Di


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   Annette,

I really appreciate all your postings, especially this progress note. I feel this type of information is useful, because it does help define some of the processes involved in recovery that many of us may go through. I would like to read more postings like this.

Again, let me say how happy I am you have found healing. I think all of us that have been injured will find healing in one form or another. When injured it is a very frightening experience, expecially in the beginning. It is good to see that healing does take place.


"T"

"T"


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40. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Dear Dr. Annette,
Are you fully recovered now, or are you still healing. I followed a similar path to you, but I am 9 weeks out and I am still numb, although more teeth on the lower right side have sensation. I still have the burning and numbness of the chin. I can't stand this and the Trileptal is making me somewhat depressed (or perhaps it is just my situation). Either way it is awful

L


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41. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   hi L...just recently I came across some posts I had made on another forum about a year ago - just weeks after my injury. I was amazed and embarassed a bit at how 'out of it' I sounded. My posts were filled with smiley faces..haha's..lol's, etc. I know for a fact that was not the way I was feeling!! Nothing is funny about these injuries..it is awful and depression is a 'normal' feeling, I think.

I thought about deleting those posts that I had written and then I remembered that this was the time post-injury when the pain in my face was incredible plus I was under the influence of an anti-depressant, an anti-inflammatory and pain drugs. Sometimes I wonder if all this combined with the extreme altered sensation in my lip, chin and gums caused me to become temporarily insane? I can NOT believe that I drove 35 km back and forth to work each day...sigh.

I managed to still go to work for a few hours each day (teaching English) and did the best I could but I remember collapsing on the sofa each day after work when the throbbing pain was the most intense. I think it was aggravated by all the talking I had to do.

I'm just over a year in my 'recovery'. I still feel angry and get depressed over this situation from time to time. It has improved markedly since those early days..but it's slow going. One day you will probably be surprised to notice that your chin is not as sensitive to touch and brushing your teeth won't be such a bizarre experience!

Treat yourself well, L...I know what you mean when you say you can't 'stand this'...it's sure isn't easy to live with and I really believe we need to take our minds off of it as much as possible during the day! Lose yourself in a good movie or book..take long luxurious baths...listen to music you like...buy yourself a soft, comfy blanket to curl up under on the sofa. And be sure to report your feelings of depression to your doctor.

I'm so glad you've recovered some sensation and I'm hoping that our nerves continue to repair!


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karen marietta
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4. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Annette,

Thank you so much for sharing your words of wisdom regarding nerve injuries. Yes, they DO take a very long time to heal, and I guess I am living proof of that.

When I was 30 I had lower back surgery which was very successful. It was my second one. ( I am 46 now). Anyway, to make a long story short, I injured my nerve roots by over-aggressive stretching during the post-operative phase, and oh my gosh, I thought my nerves in my legs would NEVER heal! I was advised by my ortho guy that I had scarred my nerve roots and he suggested I go ahead and have a nice life. Well, it took approximately 2 years, but believe it or not, I got back to 100%.

During the recovery time, I wanted to cut off my lower appendages. I know that this forum is for oral nerve complications, but what I guess I wanted to share is that regardless where the nerve is or how long it is...IT DOES HEAL. I had relentless burning, weird sensations, as if insects were crawling on my skin, RSD (reflex sympathetic dystrophy), the whole nine yards. At yet, over time, when I was at the point of feeling no more useful than an ameoba, I actually started to get better.

The recovery of nerves is a very difficult path to pinpoint because one day you feel great, do a whole bunch of things, and the next day, you feel even worse than you originally did. The best benchmark I can suggest is that there will come a day when you do something that would normally cause an abnormal reaction in the nerves, and it just doesn't happen! You test it again, because you are suspicious of this, having lived with this pain for so long, but lo and behold, it is true! The nerve has healed to the point that it will allow you to do something that it would not allow you to do before!

I guess, I just wanted to give support and hope to so many people that feel that any pain that lasts longer than six months is not going to go away, or have been told by their doctors that their healing time is abnormal.

I know from firsthand experience that this is not the case, and I have shovelled snow and lifted for the past 10 years, without pain. Prior to that, during that difficult 2 year phase, I was essentially useless.



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Doctor Annette
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Sep-25-03, 06:26 PM (CST)
 
6. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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YEAH, Karen, you go girl!!!!!!!!

My good friend, Reesatay, sweet Di, brave Karen, all of you -- thanks for your responses. It is a terrible thing to have nerve injuries. I know that some people never recover, and that is a grim fact that unfortunately has to be faced. However, in many cases recovery can come many moons after the injury; once again, one should not lose hope.
Please keep all of us up to date on your various conditions; if anyone has any questions I can ask of my neurologist friend, I shall be happy to pass them on and post the responses here.
Annette


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11. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Karen marietta, after reading many posts, yours is the one that inspires me the most. Healing is slow, so you have to take it one day at the time. I deal with my situation in this manner. While going through this incomfort situation, it makes me realise how precious health is, because when you loose it you feel sad, anxious and depressed but when you are healty you don't think about it.


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Jen
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Nov-17-04, 08:09 PM (CST)
 
7. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Thank you for your information. I have been online a lot looking for normal stages of nerve regeneration. It's very hard to get subjective information. I'm not as far along in the healing process as you are, but here are some of the things I'm "feeling" for others out there...

I got my wisdom teeth out almost 3 weeks ago. 3 full impactions, and one partial. So for the 2 bottom teeth, he had to break up the stupid things and pull them out piece by piece (no wonder I wasn't back to work until a week later). My left lip, gums, and chin are still quite numb, but it's almost like the area is just starting to "shrink." I'm hypersensitive in the very outer margin of the numbness. I am experiencing what some call "transference," where if I touch my cheek, my lip tingles. I used to have no tingling toward midline or on my lip, but within the last few days I'm starting to get more toward midline. I can feel pressure, but it's sort of like what a callus feels when you rub it. Or if someone is rubbing your back through a thick coat as opposed to bare skin. (That's the best way I can describe it.) Doc says this is all normal, and recovery rate varies so much between people that it's hard to say when I'll be "all better." He's expecting me to be numb for another good few weeks (I'm thinking more like months), and he told me to be patient. Oh, and also when I brush my lip with my toothbrush, I feel pain. Also pain when I lightly brush my chin with my fingernail. Temperature (mainly hot) seems hotter than it is on that side. Any sensation is good sensation at this point.

So that's pretty much my story 3 weeks out. My jaw still hurts a bit, and the sockets are a little sensitive yet. Plus I still can't chew anything really chewy, like yummy tootsie rolls and crusty bread, and if you bump into my jaw area, it still hurts, so I'm guessing there is still some bruising. I figure if I'm still bruised, of course I'm not feeling anything in my lip...nerves are the last thing to heal. They take a long time.

Anyway, hope this helps some of you. The main thing my doc said is "give yourself time to heal." That helped a tad. It's kinda hard when there is a constant reminder of a "dead thing" on your face that used to be your lip. Hopefully I won't dribble during Thanksgiving dinner with my boss. Haha. Good luck to all of you out there.

-Jen


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Alison
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Dec-27-04, 00:47 AM (CST)
 
8. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   I had an impacted lower left wisdom tooth removed one week ago, and of course the complication I feared most, numbness of my lip and chin, happened. Its been really scary to think I might have to go for such a long period of time or forever with eating and drinking and kissing and so many other simple pleasures in life being so unpleasant.

Of all the things I've read on this site, reading data about stages of healing has definitely been the most encouraging and helpful, so thank you so much for starting the thread! Of course everyone is different, but the typical vague answers of weeks to months to years for recovery are so irritating. I would be very interested to read the details, stages and timeframes of other people's healing processes. Other details, like age and general health would also help, to try to gauge what I and others might be likely to experience.

One week from surgery, I've gone from complete wooden numbness of a 1 inch width of lip and chin to the beginning of a very faint itching/burning sensation on the edges of the numb region. I hope this is a good thing. I still can't feel a touch, however. While I don't have a dry socket (yet?), wound healing doesn't seem to be going completely smoothly, and I have a packing in the socket, which oozes fluid a few times a day. Its good to know what to look forward to as good signs. I'm 25, so slightly outside the ideal age range for this business, but hopefully youth is still on my side in healing this thing up .


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Alison
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9. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   A further update of what I hope is progress...

Two weeks out, I have a slight bit of "under the callous" feeling to heavy pressure, and a light tough, like a hair brushing my chin, causes pain, almost like a painful ticklishness. My lip is still quite numb, however, although every once in a while there's a tingle in it.

Here's hoping I continue to go through the rest of the stages Annette described!


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Mairead
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Jun-06-06, 08:10 PM (CST)
 
10. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi to all. I Had two dental implants almost three weeks ago, in the lower left in the area of the Mental Nerve. I was still numb in that area two days later and saw the OS again. He pulled back one of the implants (just a bit), hoping this would help. Now, I have all types of feelings going on...either burning, itching, tingling, shooting pain, a bit of occasional tingling on the other side of my mouth.

My main question is...how do I find out whether or not my Mental Nerve has been severed? I assume I must go to a Neurologist, as my OS tells me he does not know whether or not the Nerve is severed.

Right now, and for the past few days, the burning/chapping pain is quite disturbing. Do you think I can expect more progression toward recovery?


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12. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   I'm 6 weeks post apicoectomy and I am so frustrated with the slow recovery of the IAN damage. My endodonist has been so cavalier about the damage. I'm just suppose to be "patient and wait". "This happens to a small percentage of patients." He said to give it 6-8 weeks, so now that it's the 6 week mark and I'm only about 50% better, I'm feeling really down.
It is wonderful to find this site and realize the feelings I am experiencing are validated by your personal accounts. The burning, tingling, crawling, pins and needles, numbness, drawing "crampy" like pain. Until you actually experience, you can't imagine how distracting it is. My husband is a sweetheart, but I know he is getting tired of my complaints and the less than enthusiastic kissing.
How long until I am 100%??


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Madison
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13. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hello - I realize this was written 2 years ago, did you ever fully recover. I am currently experiencing the burning, tingling, crawling pins and needles, numbness you refer to. About three weeks ago after receiving and injection for a routine filing I'm experiencing this symtoms. It is just about to drive me crazy. Any help you can give would be so appreciated.


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14. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   madison...I'm so glad you found this forum. Thank you SO much for finding and bumping up this thread! It is excellent. I've been reading and posting here for five months and hadn't read this one before...I'm sure there are many more that I haven't read! I'm going to print Annette's stages and put them up on my wall...

I think pretty much all of us here on this forum truly understand when you say that the feelings you're experiencing are 'about to drive you crazy'. Please use this forum to gain knowledge, to ask questions, to vent, and even to make friendships with people who are suffering or have suffered in the same way you are at this moment. This forum is a Godsend and thank goodness, when a google search is made...this forum is referenced near or at the top of each search page. If it wasn't here, there would be very little help or support for people in our situation!

It is terrible that you went for a routine procedure..a filling...and ended up with an injection injury I hope you find some answers on here that will help you cope...


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Cami
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15. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   I have been visiting this site for 2 months now and I am so glad I logged on today and saw this message...even though it is nearly 5 years old it is just what I have been looking for!

I am 8 weeks today post-wisdom tooth extraction...and it was a pretty traumatic time for me....I had 2 taken out in hospital, both left hand side and for some reason my blood decided not to clot so while laying in recovery (waiting to recover) I had to have both gums stitched even more to stop the bleeding. Then I had to spend the night in hospital.

As I mentioned it is 8 weeks since the extractions and after spending nearly a month and a half thinking I was always going to be numb in the chin, lip and gum (and slurp my drinks and dribble my food down my new tops!!) I started to get some weird feelings. I tried to be positive and think that they meant my body was healing etc, but....arrrgghhh.

So to read Annette's post I felt like she was describing most of the feelings I couldn't find words to describe (Esp the one about sucking on lemons).

Regarding feeling in my chin, I am about 65% on a good day and am getting what I can only describe as a toothache in the area where the tooth was, an intense itchy feeling across my chin and a sensation that feels like I have icy water trickling down my chin. For me the worst sensation at the moment is the feeling that I am having pins stuck in my tongue. Ouch!

My speech goes a bit slurred if I am tired and my left side tends to droop a bit but reading this post has made me feel that I am on the road to recovery...especially looking forward to the feeling a kiss part!! (and if my husband is reading this, yes I mean from you! lol)

Thank you for posting it and here's to the next lot of sensations...whatever they may be!!

Cami

P.S.I am not always this positive about feeling like this and have been so low at times that I have sat and cried and cried...but with fingers crossed and the wind in the right direction, I hope to be back (maybe in a month, maybe a year)posting about my full recovery!


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16. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   This is my first posting. I had a porcelain crown put on in August 2005, and had trouble with it from the beginning, didn't fit, and finally and ended up falling apart after a month. the dentist gave me about 5 injections to numb my mouth when he first put the crown on, but I never felt anything weird . I did feel a littl dizzy before he started the work, but that soon went away. The dentist then replaced it with a gold crown , since it was my back tooth and was short. I felt a tingling and metallic taste from the very beginning (even with the porcelain crown), and it never went away I ended up going to another dentist and having the gold crown replaced with a porcelain. I still have the tingling and numb feeling, and metallic taste in my lower left gum and left side of my tongue. I have tried it all (B vitamins; acupuncture; neurontin, etc). I've gone to specialits, have had MRI's done, gone to a neurologist, etc,and none have helped. So, I'm assuming I live with it forever. It's certainly not the pain I've read some people experience, but is really annoying, especially when I'm still and not doing anything (like driving). Sometimes it throbs some also. Chewing gum, drinking, eating, anything helps because it takes my mind off of it.

I've given up hope that it will ever be better. It has not changed in 5 years, not better nor worse (so at least that's good).

I've not read any other postings that are similar to mine? has anyone else experienced this?

pe1


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17. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   You probably have a lingual nerve injury caused by the numbing shot.. There are other people here just like you ... I have the tingling numb burning tongue ... No metallic taste... just screwed up food taste ...


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18. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   HOw long have you had that. Do you think it will ever go away?


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19. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   I have been like this for close to 7 years now .. My numbness is permanent but the tingling and burning is not 24/7 anymore .. I had a neuroma taken off from around the nerve in 2002 .. My gum is numb too.. Mine was caused immediately with a injection to the nerve and the extraction of a wisdom tooth ...


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20. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   pe1,

In order for the acupuncture to be effective you MUST use points located both under and on the tongue itself. Using distal points on the arms, legs, face, jaw, ear will do little for your pain and discomfort. That being said, scar tissue is difficult to work through, and acupuncture works largely through the nervous system. Thus it can take several treatments to get some relief... it isn't a cure, but it does change the characteristics of the symptoms. The pain, numbness, burning, and horrible taste sensations are reduced to more tolerable levels even though they are still present. Good luck.

Bob


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21. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Everyone,

I was injured two weeks ago today and it has been a nightmare as you all know. I, as many of you did not get much feedback and support from the surgeon that performed the extraction of my 4 wisdom teeth. I was put under general anesthesia and when I woke up I was bleeding quite a bit, full of gauze, druling continuously and in a lot of pain. My left chin, tip of my tongue, right side of my tongue going up, teeth(mostly the left bottom ones), under my tongue and lower gums were numb and still are. I was told the surgery went well and that a person with a healthy mouth should have no problem recovering. I went home, very weak and faintly. I was given only a prescribed pain killer. I could barely open my mouth and had much swelling and pain from the streching. I could barely talk. 3 days later I phoned the surgeon because the same symptoms were still there. He said it should go away in a few weeks. I went to see him the next day regardless and he said it is rare but sometimes this happens, to try not think about it and go to my interview which was in a week. He said, "Call me when you feel you have significant improvement" because he likes to keep record of them. It was with my desperation and will to survive that I found this site. Your stories are inspiring and I feel your pain. You are not alone. Due to being unable to properly nourish myself I ended up calling 911 a few days ago because my body was shutting down. I was very low on Potasium and dehydrated. A gentle doctor took care of me. My fingers up to my elbows went numb and were becoming paralyzed in no time. I thank God every day that I am still alive and able to move and hug and touch my children and husband. I was finally given Naproxen and it has helped the swelling. I am taking a vitamin B Complex and multivitamin. I am drinking high protein shakes and eating for my life depends on it. I have been able to get back some of my speech in the last few days but still have the numbing, tingling, throbbing chin, that we all have. I want to tell you that I have been praying to the Lord every day since I found out about my injury (IAL and Linguistic)and HE is always with me. We are not alone. God is with us and feels our pain. I know this is so hard but God will give you the strength when you feel you can't go on. His gentle love will heal you as He is healing me. I pray for all of us every night because I know that God is with us. Thank God every day that you can breath, feel the warmth of the people who love you and have others who know your pain. God bless all of you.


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22. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Latin_P,
Thanks for sharing your story. The hope you're keeping alive is essential to your best recovery, I sincerly believe. It's a piece of advice I always try to give to the newly injured that they should start drinking Ensure or some nutritional supplement drink like this immediately, too. The standard "soup and yogurt" advice just doesn't cut it when you're talking about an extremely extended heal time like happens with nerve damage, and you need all the nutrients you can get when you're trying to recover. I'm glad to see you're in the hands of a good physican now. Take care and please keep us posted.
Wishing you healing and better days ahead,
KarenR


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23. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi KarenR,
Thank you very much for replying back to my post. The high protein shakes have definitely helped me regain a lot of my strength and it makes it easier to stay positive and maintain my mental health. It is hard to tell but I think I feel less numbing today. I have had the metalic taste in my mouth a couple of times when I bite down on my front teeth but not so much anymore. I am feeling that tightening around my chin quite a bit. The Vitamin B12 Sublingual makes my tongue and teeth feel slimy, is this normal? The painful, throbbing on my chin has lessened and is less often. I am thinking this is a good sign. I am hoping that others who read this will be encouraged that there is healing from this injury. I find that warmth really helps sooth the chin and gums. Warm, creamy soups and massaging the chin gently with a hot water bottle takes the pain away, just be careful not to get burned. I will keep you posted on my progress and I keep getting good tips on nutrition from this site! I figure the main thing is to provide your body with the nutrients it needs to repair itself. The healthier you eat the better. Lots of love and prayers from me to you all.


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24. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-08 AT 03:52 PM (CST)
 
I don't know about that slimy sensation. Some people with lingual nerve damage have complained of a sensation like this, but not anyone who was just taking B. A couple of thoughts regarding your post: 1) Keeping a journal helps tremendously in tracking your progress. Make a chart of your face every day to mark the numb area and put down pain and numbness ranks on 1 - 10 scales. Also note what pain meds you took that day, your stress level, what you ate, how you slept, exercise, anything you think may have contributed to feeling better or worse. This will help you avoid the bad and increase the good, give you a record to show your doc your progress, and make it clear to you how you're doing overall. It's hard to track your progress otherwise from one day to the next, because you'll often take 1 step forward, 2 steps back, 3 steps forward, etc, etc. . .
2) If your pain and that tightness around your chin increases, Naproxen may not be sufficient. Typically, it isn't. The most commonly prescribed medications are neurontin and amitriptyline. You'll want to schedule an appt with a neurologist to track your progress, prescribe any needed pain meds, and keep an eye out for neuromas, etc. It can take a month or more to get in, so schedule a consult now. You can always cancel if you've improved dramatically between now and then.
Best of healing to you!
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25. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   I know this post by Doctor Annette is very old now but it was like a light at the end of the tunnel for me. I had my two bottom wisdom teeth removed 4˝ months ago. I had no idea what was happening at the time but it is clear now I suffered injury to my alveolar nerve on the left side.

My oral surgeon was very unhelpful and didn't want to know me after the surgery and I can absolutely relate to other peoples stories of their experiences with this. Not knowing what was happening to me and if I would ever get better, coupled with an oral surgeon who couldn't have cared less was horrible.

Doctor Annette's stages of recovery are very similar to mine and her story helped me stay positive when I felt very down. I found this forum about 3 weeks after my surgery and it is something I have been coming back to since to read other peoples stories and keep positive.

I still haven't recovered complete feeling but it is getting better very slowly and it is fantastic just to be able to feel something, whether it be the heat from a cup of coffee or the sensation of my fingernail if I run it over my lip or chin.

Good luck to everyone else out there who has experienced this. I hope your recovery is quick and complete.

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26. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Carolina and Karen,

Carolina, thank you for coming back to share how you are doing. I am also very glad I found this forum because it is so positive and we all need to know that there are others out there going through very similar troubles due to this injury. Most of my pain in my jaw has subsided after 1 month now but I still have the numbing in different areas of my mouth, lip and chin. I get tention headaches but not as much any more. I also have a strechching (feels like stretched strings) in my tongue when I extend it and if there is anyone who knows what this is can you let me know...? I will be seeing a neurologist hopefully within the next month or two..Thank you for your replies Karen! I hope you are both doing well.

Sandra


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27. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   I had the stretched out feeling in my tongue with lingual nerve damage.. Mine felt plain stretched out even when it wasn't extended.. I don't know what that was.. No doctor ever came up with a conclusion.. All i know is that after i had a neuroma removed did my tongue finally snap back into place one day ... Good thing because i would have jumped off a bridge by now if it hadn't .. If your pain is subsiding in the first month and your not on drugs then consider yourself on the way to healing ... Good luck


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28. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Thanks for your reply Bowho! I have an appointment with a neurologist in January. At least I know now that others have felt this weird feeling as well. Was your neuroma due to your lingual nerve injury? Where was it? What was the recovery like afterwards? Thanks for helping me out. God bless and hope you are feeling well these days.


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29. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   LAST EDITED ON Nov-24-08 AT 08:10 PM (CST)
 
Yes that was because of the lingual nerve damage..I know that's a weird feeling !!! Today only if i attempt to chew food on that side {which is rare} will i start to feel that in my tongue and i only feel it where my tongue is numb... So i consider my lucky at this point that #1 It's not a constant feeling anymore. #2 I did regain some feeling in the tip and back of my tongue..

Sorta feels like the nerve is still stuck somewhere in something between the wisdom tooth extraction site and the second molar {where the neuroma was removed from} and needs a little more slack to feel just right.. That's my opinion, but I'm not into going back for another surgery from hell to feel if that could happen...I've adjusted to chewing food only the left side for the sake of feeling normal...

It was not a neurologist who did anything for me, it was an oral jaw surgeon... Does the one who caused your injury know that you called 911 ?


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31. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Bowho, I guess I am at the stage you are at after you had your surgery to remove your neuroma...I am sorry you had to go through that. Unfortunately, the oral surgeon who caused my injury has not been very supportive and I don't think he would really take any responsibility for anything that happened to me as a result of the surgery he performed. I am just so lucky that God is on my side! Thanks for keeping in touch, I will keep you updated.

Hi Pim, if I do happen to find out what those strings are all about I will let you know asap. How are you feeling these days? Any improvement? Take care (:


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30. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Carolina,

I also have one of those "stretched strings" going up the inside of my cheek that goes almost from the bottom jaw to the top. It drives me nuts!!! It is from the jaw surgery to remove an overfill of a root canal.

It feels very tight. I feel like I could play guitar with it. Drives me nuts!!!


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32. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Well, My neurologist did tell me one time that was just part of abnormal nerve stimulation and sent me for an MRI,but,that came back as normal !!! The GP told me i had BMS and psychological problems !!

So latin, sorry you have to go thru this too .. We all know how unsupportive not only the dentist can be, but, also the other docs you may encounter with this... So it's good to hear that you feel like you reached a certain stage !! You must be getting relief in that part ? GOOD !!

But that part about your OS telling you "Call me when you feel you have significant improvement" because he likes to keep record of them. Really ticks me off ... Sure these injuries are rare but having both nerves injured at once is mind boggling !!! And the nerve of him telling you don't think about it ? And in your desperation to survive you found this site ? Good thing you did... We'll clue you in on some things... http://www.dentalwatch.org/reg/complaints.html

Poor pim is playing "while my guitar gently weeps" on her jaw for 3 years now and she didn't let her dentist get away with it .. And as a matter of fact, neither did i ...


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34. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Bowho,
I haven't written you back in a while, sorry. I do go on the website every day to read and search for helpful information. I think I am improving but last week was pretty painful on my gums. So far this week not so much. It seems that there is less numbing now where I had the pain last week. Does this make sense? Have you felt this in your recovery? My tongue has been doing some weird things too. I have a "new" string running towards the back of my tongue and a small area on the tip that seems more numb...I am scared to go see the neurologist in case I have a neuroma. I asked my GP about neuromas developing as a result of this injury and he said that doesn't happen...well, I quess he was wrong in your case! Wow, there is so much doctors don't know, it is scary. I wish there was more compassion in the medical field. What you and others are doing by helping people on this site is truly admirable. You are the most important part of the healing process, the validation of our pain and suffering. THANK YOU!


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35. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Latin, Everyone heals at different level ..I dont have pain in the parts of my tongue or gums that have feeling and never did... So yes that makes sense to me that where the feeling is coming back you dont have pain anymore... But some people have pain without numbness... Mine pain was centered within the numbness and still is... My symptoms only got worse in the first 6 months not better so again i can tell you that if your pain is bearable without meds and you feel its getting better then you probably should not even waste your time or money going to a neurologist who cant even help you with nerve damage anyways.. Your GP probably has never seen a case of oral nerve damage and is totally blind on what it does to us or how to treat it.. We have one guy here who has been injured for 20 plus years and finally after his 4th repair surgery is claiming to get some relief... I was scared in the beginning too, its a horrifying experience to go through... From what you describe in your healing i can only hope that youll be ok soon... Take care and this site is a good place to be where others know what your going through


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36. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   i havent posted in awhile, i had a inferior avelor injury on the bottom left also..6 months ago..still have a dead feeling in part of my chin and my teeth still hurt and it hurts when i eat on that side, so i just avoid it as much as possible..i hope it eventually heals all the way, i am no longer on any medication so that is good. i am so sorry this keeps happening to people but i guess it always will..i quit going to the dr about it they are useless i think we are on our own..hope to hear soon that you have healed and for the others too. thanks for listening, Pat


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37. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Numbchin, Good to see you're still kicking around and off the drugs.. Hope it gets better for you


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33. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi All, I thought I would write down my stages of recovery so far so to add to Dr. Annette's: (recovering from IAN and Lingual nerve damage)

Week 1-2: Throbbing, cramping pain on left chin; freezing numbness on teeth(specially front left bottom ones) and inner and outer gums; left bottom lip painfully numb; jaw pain, facial muscle pain from stretching and tension headaches; painful to try to speak(loss of ability to pronounce certain letter sounds (ie: R,L,SH,...), slow speech, swollen tongue; tongue shifting more to the right, tightness of tongue and loss of some movement; Difficulty opening mouth but a few centimetres. Metallic taste when lenching teeth.

Week 3-4: Painful cramping on chin continuing but moving upward toward my lip. Lots of tingling(almost bubbly) on tongue and under tongue. Sometimes throbbing on right side of neck. Speech improving and less painful. "Stetchy strings" on my tongue tip.

Week 4-5: Tingling slowing down. Sensation in other areas of mouth when touching a different area( ie: touching roof of mouth and feeling it on my tongue). less numbing on my chin and no pain to touch it. Tension headaches less often but still there. Sore throat and painful sinus (could be a cold). Stretchy strings on my tongue seem more spead out. Less freezing feeling to numb areas.

Week 6: Still recovering but much better

I hope this helps anyone looking for information on the recovery process.


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38. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   I just read this after I made my first post. This made me feel better, and I have to admit, cry. I hope this is my path and the path of the others experiencing this pain.


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39. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   I think I am in shock that there are so many of us out there and yet dentists/doctors act as if this is something "new" to them.

Fortunately I have a really caring dentist who has been so helpful, but I am amazed by these stories.

I am now 5 weeks into my nerve damage. Some days are ok... others are just a mess.

I'm so happy to hear those of you who have fully recovered. It definitely gives me hope and I desperately need that.

Renee


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42. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Annette!

Thank you so much for posting this. It's great to hear stories about people recovering from this. I just got injured 4 days ago and it's already unbearable! My lower teeth, lips, and chin are completely numb. I have been feeling extremely depressed and I can't even imagine going back to work tomorrow. I work in sales which means I'm dealing with customers constantly. How do you deal with social situations? It's hard when you feel the pain. You just don't want to speak to anybody. PLease let me know when you regain full sensations again. I need to know there is hope! Is there anything you suggest doing to help speed up the process? Thank you and god bless!


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43. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   What happened to you? If you are from San Fran like your profile says, there are very good doctors out there to see for nerve damage.


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44. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Annette, I've noticed you had the dribble and slur words. I have that too and I'm new to this website. Did you take any herbs, medications? The slurred speech comes and go and it's really frustrating. Any information will be greatly appreciated?

Nina


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45. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Hi Nina-

I went for speech therapy and found this to be very helpful. It was actually done at the local medical school speech therapy department and was done with a graduate student and the head clinician. The cost was very reasonable ($25/session, plus insurance covers this) and given it was at a teaching university, they brought in a team of specialists to address my nerve injury. It was really helpful. They videotaped me and just seeing this feedback helped me regain my confidence and work on certain skills to improve my speech patterns. Ironically, my boss at work mentioned how my presentation skills had improved. The best part of this process was getting my confidence back again. They had me read children's books once a day for two months. This worked on alliteration of certain words. P's, B's and W's were the ones that caused me pain, but I was able to work through this and eventually feel comfortable that I could pronounce these words without pain.

Best to you in your recovery.

Many blessings...

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46. "RE: Stages of Recovery"
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   Thank you for your reply I'm going to a speech therapist tomorrow. I'm hoping that will help - somedays I can't get the words out and it's really scary.
Take Care,
Nina


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