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youngstreet
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Dec-26-08, 05:32 PM (CST)
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"Nearly 5 years... and almost recovered"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Dec-27-08 AT 03:38 PM (CST)
 
Hello everyone,

I have been a frequent visitor of this board for 5 years. I suffered a lingual nerve injury after my wisdom teeth were extracted in April 2004. I was asleep during the surgery, as I was under general anesthetic. Immediately after the extraction, the right side of my tongue was numb. I bit on it repeatedly for days, and it was very painful. I hoped that the sensation would return, and thankfully it did about a month after the extraction. However, the sensation came back a little too well.

Unfortunately, the right side of my tongue became overly hypersensitive from that point on, and any slight touch to the tongue would feel very painful (allodynia).

The first couple of years after the surgery (up until 2006), I fought through the pain. I kept on believing that the pain would go away on its own. It hurt almost every time I talked, but I didn't let it bother me because I thought the pain would go away in time. My oral surgeon told me that it could take up to 2 years for the nerve to heal itself. Suffice it to say, that after two years rolled by, my hope started to wither away and I couldn't hold it together as well.

After two years, the pain began to take control of my life. I began to stop going out (for fear of talking) and spent much of my time being depressed and alone at home. The pain began to affect my job, my relationships with friends and family, and then my girlfriend left me early in 2008. Needless to say, this past couple of years have been my rock bottom.

During that time however, I began to search intensively for a way to find relief from my pain. I saw countless specialists (my family doctor for 20 visits, a pain management doctor for 8 visits, a neurologist, a second oral surgeon, an ENT doctor, two oral medicine specialists for 8 visits in total, a chiropractor practicing laser light therapy for 25 treatments, a psychologist specializing in pain management for 5 visits, a neuropsychiatrist for 3 visits, two acupuncturists for 25 treatments in total, and an osteopath). I also took tons of pills (Elavil, Doxepin, Effexor, Cymbalta, Lyrica, Neurontin, Topamax, Clonazepam and Tramadol). On top of that, I made sure to take Vitamin B-complex, B-12, Alpha Lipoic Acid and Omega 3. And just to be sure, I had my blood tested, a CT scan and an MRI. All my test results came back fine.

Let's just say, my search for help was completely exhaustive. The troubling conclusion of my search was that I didn't feel physically better. My tongue still felt awful.

Looking back now however, I believe that sometime between April 2004 and today, my lingual nerve had somehow found a way to heal. The problem however, was that my mind had never done its part to get over the pain. My mind was still generating physical symptoms long after my nerve injury has run its course. I think I had gotten so conditioned to the pain every time I talked, that the act of talking would trigger real physical pain, regardless of whether there was a physical cause of it or not. I was also conditioned to feel pain whenever I was nervous or stressed.

I read a book called the "Mindbody Prescription" by Dr. John Sarno a couple of months ago that articulates his theory on psychosomatic conditions and the type of people that generally suffer from them. I never wanted to believe that the pain was "all in my head". I thought there was no way that I could have genuinely painful moments without there being something very wrong with me. But after reading this book, and discussing with my neuropsychiatrist about how my fear/anxiety could be generating my physically painful symptoms, I've begun to live my life as if I didn't have the pain any more. And after telling myself over and over that I'm physically 100%, I've begun to slowly recondition myself to feel less pain. And although I'm not quite all the way there yet, I think I'm really close.

Now, I just wanted to say that my story may not resonate with everyone here. We've all had very traumatic experiences here, and I don't want to say that the way I've healed would work for everyone. All I want to say is that if you've tried everything like I've had and nothing has worked, perhaps begin to explore the possibility that there may be a psychosomatic reason (such as Mindbody Syndrome) that may be causing your pain and not a physical reason.

Thanks to everyone on this board for your tremendous help over the past 5 years. It has been a difficult journey and I don't think I could have gotten to where I am today without you.

Have a very happy holidays,
Steve



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bowho
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Dec-27-08, 00:28 AM (CST)
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1. "RE: Nearly 5 years... and almost recovered"
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   WELL HELLO, Steve... Glad you came back and shared that!! WOW.. What a relief for you at almost 5 years? Actually that's around the same time i started feeling the most relief also,and was able to get off most of the drugs and not think of the pain 24/7.. Im not 100% free of the damage but it is 80% better at 7 years now.. I have the same injury as you only i still have the numbness.. You certainly sound in better spirits compared to your post in March 2008..

There was a person who posted on here a while ago about some bio-feedback therapy, on how to train the brain to not think of the pain.. They said it helped them.. The book you told us about is probably a good one for all us injured to read.. Thanks..

Seasons greetings to you.. And cheers to happy new years to come


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youngstreet
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Dec-27-08, 05:00 AM (CST)
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2. "RE: Nearly 5 years... and almost recovered"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-27-08 AT 05:02 AM (CST)
 
Hi Bowho,

Thanks for the reply. I think that our two stories give hope to people who think that recovery stops at the 1 or 2-year mark. Relief can definitely be found after that point.

I was also intrigued when I read the post about bio-feedback. As with my case, for some of us there may be some maladaptive neuroplasticity going on within our brain, and if we can find a way to recondition ourselves, then we might find relief.

For most of us, there is mental and physical element to our pain. The physical element (the actual physical nerve damage) cannot really be controlled (outside of vitamins and healthy living), so all we can do is minimize the negative mental causes that affect us.

Best of luck on your continued healing!

Steve



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charlottefr
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Dec-27-08, 09:15 AM (CST)
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3. "RE: Nearly 5 years... and almost recovered"
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   hi steve...thanks for your great post! It's fascinating to investigate how the brain might affect/influence the way we feel and our symptoms. I'm definitely going to read the book you mentioned.

Here's a recent post about neurofeedback...it's from November l5th of this year...on this conference on the thread titled "Neurofeedback".

Neurofeedback"

I am an MSW social worker. Ten years ago, an oral surgeon drove a dental implant through the nerve canal in my jaw. Dysaethesia was difficult to live with, as most of you know. At the time, I found this group, and corresponded with Ross, who started this forum. I did think about ending my life..... too much pain. But then I decided to engage in something bigger than my pain.... to distract me, if it was possible.

I was accepted into a doctoral program in clinical psychophysiology where I learned mind-body modalities.....including neurofeedback. My instructor in biofeedback and neurofeedback thought that using neurofeedback might prove useful to me. I had such difficulty speaking... put all my food in a Cuisinart.... I am sure you all know what we go through with damaged nerves in the mouth. I even used Lidocaine ointment on my mouth to dampen the pain. Do try it. Ross suggested that to me and it did help. I used it several times a day.

After doing neurofeedback I thought nothing had happened. Several months later, I had a bit more pain and realized I did not know where my Lidocaine tube was. How could I not know? Apparently, I had not used it in more than four months.... I was speaking more easily.... I had ceased using the Cuisinart and didn't even notice the change. I had even stopped thinking so much about the pain. When we hurt, the pain takes center stage.... and when the pain diminishes.... we get on with our life.

The pain had been front and center for so long...and after neurofeedback, the pain, though still there, ran in the background. I had my life back. I can't explain how such a change could have gone unnoticed for so long. I don't quite understand it. But when I realized what had happened, I knew that I had to learn how to do neurofeedback for others. I haven't had any clients with oral nerve damage, but I have had clients with spinal cord compression and nerve damage.... with good results. I also have worked with people with migraines... and quick results. Also have helped people with ADD/ADHD, Autism, Aspergers, panic attacks, seizures, etc. All with great results.

I used to be a psychiatric social worker and never felt I was able to make a real difference in anyone's life.... but now I have clients who see real change. I am in Las Vegas and would love to help someone here...pro bono.... who has oral nerve damage. My web site is www.counseling-eeg.com If anyone wants to find a practitioner in other parts of the country, go to www.eeg-info.com. There is a place on the home page where you can enter your zip code and find someone to help you. Do consider neurofeedback. It saved me.

Leslie Newman

http://www.sciential.net/dcforum/DCForumID9/50.html


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youngstreet
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Dec-27-08, 06:04 PM (CST)
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4. "RE: Nearly 5 years... and almost recovered"
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   Thanks for your reply Charlottefr.

I have been doing a lot of research on the concept of neuroplasticity, and I believe that chronic pain is a result of some negative plastic changes to the brain to 'wire' in the pain. However, I do believe that if we 'wired' in the brain negatively to have chronic pain, we can do the opposite to help the brain heal. But it's not easy.

I believe concepts like biofeedback and mindbody syndrome are related to the concept of plasticity. There are also medications that are on trial that are trying to address 'pain memory'. Of course, the only drawback is that there is no way to isolate the 'pain memory' portions of the brain without affecting other parts right now (i.e. side effects). Hopefully that wil change.

There is so much to the brain that we have yet to discover! The research on chronic pain/neuropathic pain is so nascent right now... I think there will be leaps and bounds made in this field during our lifetime.

Steve


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bowho
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Dec-27-08, 08:03 PM (CST)
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   Hey Charlotte, Thanks for finding that!! That is the one i was talking about!! Interesting ... Think i will be reading the book too...


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bowho
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Dec-27-08, 07:54 PM (CST)
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-27-08 AT 08:05 PM (CST)
 
Steve, I do consider myself one the more fortunate ones here lately (never thought id hear that one come out of my mouth ever)

Anyways i am one of the lucky ones who found an OMFS at 4 months after the injury who had seen this type of injury before, and he removed a neuroma at 6 1/2 months, which i do believe,without that happening,I would not be where i am today !!!

So sometimes it does/can take surgical intervention for relief, to make one forget of the this pain 24/7.. Its just sooooo hard to find someone who can help from what i see going on here these days... I must have just been in right place at the right time, is all i can figure!!!

Best of luck on your continued healing too..


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